Anthonette Cayedito

All witnesses, suspects, and persons of interest are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now on true crime, and then together we are going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Poppy killed Mommy was the first thing my little sister said to me after her father murdered our mother. My mom had gotten off the phone at nine fifty three pm on July eighth, nineteen ninety three, after making plans to leave him. By one forty am, a nine to one one call was placed asking for help. Three hours and forty seven minutes. That's how fast a woman can go from planning her escape to being gone. Her death was ruled a homicide. The man who killed her admitted that he might have shot her. My sister, just three years old, told police more than a dozen times Poppy killed Mommy, but the Yavapai County Attorney said there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Seventy five percent of women murdered by an intimate partner are killed while they're trying to leave. My mom became part of that statistic. This is the story they buried. Listen to Poppy killed Mommy and hear what they refuse to see. Hey, guys, welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We are going to get into right now in true crime. We have a few trial updates and happenings to discuss. So first thing is first big news. The day that I'm recording this, Karen Reid was found not guilty for the murder of her boyfriend John O'Keefe. She was found guilty of basically a dui and sentenced to one year of probation, which, for all the things that that woman has been put through, one year of probation, we will freaking take it. I am a huge believer in Karen's in a sense because a lot of the witnesses the defense brought up said there was zero evidence that John was even hit by a car, and I stand firmly on that hill. I will die on that hill. But there's obviously more to this. Obviously something happened to John. He was killed that night, and I don't know that there will ever be justice because the investigation was not handled properly and they were way too busy trying to cover their tracks, then investigate it in a proper manner. And it's scary to me that somebody can be thrust into literally being on trial for murder like murder. It is a big deal to take somebody to court two separate times on murder charges when you don't really have a leg to stand on. Karen had to give up her job, her home, a lot of her life to try to fight these charges, just like every single person would do if they were ever wrongfully convicted of a murder charge. And yeah, you can argue all you want that she was intoxicated. She didn't really know what happened, but neither did any of those other people in that home that night, because they were all drinking and they were all driving home. And Karen is not a Boston Police officer, unlike all the other people that were in the house that night. So that is really all I have to say about it. I have been following this one since probably like mid first trial, because I'll be honest with you, during the first trial, I didn't really know what I thought. But it's obvious that there was some really shady behavior going on here from law enforcement allegedly, in my opinion, is it even alleged they collected evidence in red solo cups. I don't think it's alleged anymore. But this second trial has been my literal life for the last couple of months, so I was super glad to hear that she was found not guilty on all but one of the charges, and that was the OUI charge. But that is the update on that for now. Now we are going to switch gears to the Diddy trial. I haven't really talked much more about it, but there have been a couple of things this week that have happened. There has been some text messages released between Ditty and KK, who is Diddy's personal assistant, was Didty's personal assistant, and that whole dynamic is very, very very interesting. I do feel like the prosecution has done a really good job at proving Diddy did some really horrific things, and all of the evidence seems to me to be there as far as the racketeering and the trafficking and all of that. So it's going to be interesting to see what goes down as far as that. I know we still have a ways to go. But there was a juror that was dismissed this week and they also canceled court on Wednesday because a juror had vertigo, which I can attest. Vertigo is not fun, so they canceled court for that reason. I know court is not in session on Thursday because of Juneteenth, and then I guess court will be back in session on Friday. I'm not really sure. I guess depends on the jurors status, but I will continue to keep you guys updated on that front. Okay, I want to talk about Brian Coberger because there was a hearing scheduled for today and basically, Brian's team is asking for the trial to be pushed back because they need time to get their lives together and they're talking about the dateline leak and going through all of that evidence and having time to make sure that they have all of their ducks in a row. Essentially, they have been trying to push this trial back with every opportunity they get, and I understand that is their job, but you have to eventually go to trial. So the judge said he's going to look at everything and he could change his mind, but as of right now, Brian Coberger is going to trial in August and this is going to be such a big case. I don't even know how I'm going to process it, how I'm going to get through it. It's going to be such an emotional toll. I can't imagine what it's going to be like for the families who have been waiting so long to get justice for their sweet kids that were so innocently taken in their home in Idaho. It's going to be very interesting to see what transpires here. But I hope and pray the judge does the right thing. He has been very, very fair, so I do think that the trial is going to go on as expected. All right, Last thing I want to talk about is Travis Decker, the dad who is accused of killing his three daughters, is still on the run. When I recorded last week, I fully thought that they were on his tail. I thought that they were going to have captured him and we would have some type of update by now. But we are still searching for Travis Decker, and authorities have released some different photos of how he might look now he has likely changed his appearance. God knows where this man is. Honestly, remember I said that he is retired military, so he has a lot of experience in living off of the grid and surviving and different like survivor tactics. He knows what he's doing, even though he might not be in a great mental state right now. He is going to be able to evade authorities as long as he needs. And I don't know how this is going to turn out. I really really don't, but I think it's so important that they find him, so I hope that he will be found soon, but I'm going to continue to keep you guys updated on this one. I am at a loss that he hasn't been found yet, and I think maybe he might have gone to Canada because he had been searching for jobs in Canada, how to escape to Canada, all of that kind of stuff. So it's going to be interesting when he is found to see where exactly he went, where he's been, how he's been surviving, if he's been just completely off the grid, or if he's been out and about. I don't know. I don't know where this one's going to go, but I will keep you guys updated as I hear more. All Right, that is all that I can take for this week. It has been a crazy week, crazy month, crazy year with all of these trials, trying to keep everything straight. But we are going to go ahead and get into today's episode, which is another wild ride of a rabbit hole. So I will go ahead and get into that story now. Okay, So for today's episode, I decided that I wanted to cover one of the cases that I've recently posted for my Unsolved Sunday spotlight on Instagram and Facebook, and that is going to be the unsolved disappearance of Antonette Catadido. Antonette disappeared from her home in Gallup, New Mexico, in April of nineteen eighty six. There is a lot of information on the Internet about her case and her disappearance. There's a lot of rumors, there's a lot of speculation. We're going to go over the facts, what we know, what we have learned over the years. There have been numerous different sightings of her over the years, and we're going to try to break all of this down. There is definitely a lot to this case, there's a lot to the story, so we're going to do everything we can to try to figure it all out and break it all down. She was only nine years old when she disappeared, and still to this day, she remains a missing person. Let's go ahead and dive into her story. Antonette Christine Cadadido was born on December twenty fifth of nineteen seventy six to her parents, Teresa Penny Catadido and Larry Estrata, who worked as a carpenter. Her parents would soon separate, and Antonette was raised with her half sisters, Wendy, who was five and Sadie who was seven, by their Penny in Gallup, New Mexico. I'm going to talk a lot about Penny during this episode, So Penny is Antonette's mother. Those that knew and loved Antonette knew her by the nickname Squirrel. She is described as friendly, caring, and dependable. She was very much a natural caretaker and would often help with her younger sisters. Even at nine years old, she would often help cook meals for her younger sisters. Her dad described her as nine going on fifteen. Her youngest sister would later go on to describe her as having a care giver's heart. She enjoyed Michael Jackson and Ronnie Milsap music. She was a fourth grade student at Lincoln Elementary School and was dedicated to her studies and very much enjoyed sports. And physical fitness. She even won an award in her fourth grade year for presidential fitness. She is described as well behaved and always on her best behavior at school. At the time of her disappearance, Antonette was living at two to four Arnold Circle, number nine in Gallup, New Mexico, with her mom and her two half sisters. So we're now going to talk about Penny, Antonette's mom. Penny was thirty three years old and she would often spend the nights out at different bars, hanging out with friends into the early hours of the morning. A lot of the times there would be a babysitter that would be there to look after the girls, and then sometimes there wouldn't be a babysitter and Antonette would be in charge of caring for her two younger sisters. So when everyone describes her as nine going on fifteen and being a natural caretaker, it makes a lot of sense as to why she's described like that, because she almost had to be. She really didn't have a choice. She was left in charge of her two sisters. So Penny going out and about was pretty common, and that's exactly what happened on the evening of Saturday, April fifth of nineteen eighty six. Penny had made plans to go out that night with friends to talk of the Town, which was a popular bar in the area. That evening, the girls would be watched by a babysitter. Now, I'm not really sure if this was a babysitter that Penny used all the time for the girls, if it was this person's first time watching the girls. I'm not really sure of the circumstances surrounding this particular sitter, but I would imagine this person has been questioned at length. So Penny goes out, does her thing. The sitter is at the house, and Penny arrived home shortly after midnight, and the babysitter went home. Now, on this particular night, Penny said that she let her daughter stay up a little bit later, and that she spent the next three hours talking and playing cards with Antonette until about three am, while the other two girls had drifted off to sleep. In an interview many many many years later, Sadie said that despite them all having their own rooms, they all always wanted to sleep in their mother's room, and that night was no different. They were all sleeping in their mom's room, so there was allegedly two different knocks on the door that night, The first one nobody answered and the second one was answered by Antonette, and from that it was assumed that she was abducted by whoever was at the door. According to Antonette's mom, Penny, the next morning, she woke up at seven am and went to get the girls ready for Bible study, and Antonette was nowhere to be found. She ended up checking the house. She checked in with neighbors to see if maybe she was at a neighbor's house, but there was no sign of Antonette. There was also a search party going on for somebody in the neighborhood who was missing a dog, so Penny naturally thought that Antonette could have been involved in looking for the dog. But again she was unable to find any lead of where Antonette could be, so Penny went ahead and called the police. There was a massive three day search around Gallop looking for anything that could tie them back to where Antonette may be. They brought in ATVs, they brought in dogs, and the dogs were unable to pick up Antonette set Unfortunately, it wasn't until four days after Antonette disappeared that officers went and actually performed an official search at the home where Antonette went missing from. Now, there were no signs of any type of force entry, There were no signs of any type of a struggle. Investigators talked to pretty much everyone, the family, the people who were there. There was other family members that were questioned. And in the midst of these other people being questioned, there was a couple of people that had been brought up in interview regarding Penny, and these names eventually would be brought up by Penny because they were offered up by another family member, and then Penny went ahead and brought them up. So there were two people she brought up. A man named Emiliano Gardella, who went by the nickname E. Now Emo is a man I'm assuming who knew Penny, might have been friends with Penny, and he had given Antonette flowers on three separate occasions leading up to her abduction. Now I don't know if he was a family friend, how familiar he was with the family, but he did give Antonette flowers on three separate occasions, and Sadie later would recall him being there that day prior to Penny going out that night and said that he had brought Antonette two roses, and at one point he had put Antonette on his lap, which is just weird behavior unless you're a father figure or a family member. That is awkward behavior for a grown man to be doing that with a nine year old girl. So there's definitely some weird vibes going on in my opinion with Emo. Now, the next name that Penny gave up was the name of a man named Ron Perry. So Ron was a friend of Pennies and he had been out with her that night at the bar and they had allegedly gotten into some type of argument. So when she had left and come home, he kind of came back around and had knocked on their door that night around three thirty am, and also knocked on the window, but nobody answered. That was the knock that was allegedly ignored. So he went ahead and went to a friend's home that was close by and spent the night there, and that story was checked out and it was corroborated by the friend that he stayed with. So that very much explains the knock that came on the door, the first knock that came on the door, but who knocked second? Who was the second knock and why did Antonette answer that knock versus ignoring the first one. Antonette was a very careful girl, a very careful child, and there would be no way that she would answer the door to somebody in the middle of the night that she didn't know. So detectives again are very much trying to piece together everything that they have. They talk to different neighbors and there were a few different neighbor accounts that said it was not super uncommon for a lot of different people to come and go at all hours of the night from the home. So this very much opens up the pool of people who could have abducted Antonette, and it makes it even harder to try and pinpoint who was there that night, why they were there, if they were there for the sole purpose of abducting and kidnapping Antonette. So a whole year passes by and there is little to go on in the disappearance of Antonette, that is until a phone call comes in on the afternoon of April twelfth of nineteen eighty seven. Now, this phone call was placed to the Gallop Police Department, which is a very specific phone number that typically wouldn't be any number that you would be able to memorize or a number that you would just know off the top of your head. But this phone call came in and I am going to play that now and then we're going to talk about it. Albuquerque. Okay, So that was the phone call, and it is wild. When I first heard it, it very much chilled me to my core, and that's kind of the whole reason I decided I wanted to kind of dig into this case a little bit more so. Whoever made this phone call identifies herself as Antonette Catadido, and she says that she's in Albuquerque, and then you can hear somebody comes in the background and they say who said you could use the phone? And then there's an obvious type of scuffle and they're screaming, and then the phone disconnects. So that call was unable to be traced, and it ended up obviously the person ended up hanging up. So they did play this call for Penny, and Penny very much believes that this was her daughter. She said she knows her daughter's voice the way that she said her name, and the call is the way that Antonette said her name, and she said that that was eight thousand percent Antonette. So there's a lot to unpack here. Let's say that Antonette was abducted and a year later is alive somewhere being held against her will, and at this point she's now ten years old, a whole year older than when she was abducted, and she gets the opportunity to sneak a phone call, and instead of calling nine to one one, which is a number everybody knows it's only three numbers, she calls the Gallop Police Department. It just doesn't make a lot of sense that she would have the Gallop Police Department number memorized and be able to make that phone call if she was in a type of situation where she was rushed for time trying to sneakily call. It's just very very intriguing. I initially when I heard the call, I really did think that that has to be her. I mean, who else would it be. And then when they played the call for Penny, she said that sounds just like her. But I feel like there's more things that we have to question and make sure that it's valid and make sure that it wasn't just somebody playing a Cole joke, because unfortunately, we live in a society where people get pleasure out of intimidating people that have gone missing or trying to mislead investigators for one reason or another. And it has never been confirmed that the person on the other end of this line was Antonette, And I honestly don't know what my thoughts are on the matter, because maybe she did remember the Galla Police Department phone number and call that number for one reason or another. But it's also possible that there's more to it and maybe that is an Antinette on the other end of the phone line. There's also people that speculate that Penny stage that phone call, and that's a whole different story for a different day. We're going to get into all of that. But I really don't know what I think about this phone call. And unfortunately, like I said, the phone call was too short to be traced, so they don't know exactly where the call came in from. But we're going to go ahead and circle back to that phone call in a bit so Interestingly enough, three years after Antonette disappeared, her twenty five year old aunt, who is named Luisa Estrada, the sister of Larry, her father. She also went missing in September of nineteen eighty nine from Gallup. I don't really know the circumstances surrounding her disappearance, but she was found alive in Mexico a month later and was returned home. But there has been a lot of people that speculated and thought that these two cases could have possibly been related. And I think that the reason that some people speculate this is because Larry was allegedly involved in some type of drugs, trafficking drugs, selling drugs, and it only makes sense that people would think that Antonette's disappearance could have been related to this, and then to have somebody else from the family go missing, it just kind of makes sense as to why people kind of have that thought in their minds. However, we don't have anything definitive to say that these two cases were in fact, in any way, shape or form related. Four years later, in nineteen ninety one, another tip came in, and this tip came in from eight hundred and eighty miles away from a waitress at a restaurant in Carson City. So this waitress had been waiting on a table while at her job, and there was a teenage girl at the table, matching Antonette's description. And she was in the company of a couple who she described as very unkempt. She said that the girl would continuously knock her utensils onto the floor, and from what the waitress thought, she thought that she was maybe seeking attention from the waitress, So the waitress would bend down, pick up the utensils, put them back on the table, and the teenage girl would grab the waitress's hand and squeeze it, kind of like she was calling out for help. The couple and the girl would later leave, and when the waitress went over to clean the table, she found a napkin that was placed under a plate, and it had two messages on it. One said help me and the other said call the police. So that, to me is a very interesting story. Regardless of if this was Antonia or not, I do feel like whoever this girl was was likely in trouble. And we don't know the circumstances of what was going on with the couple she was with, if she had been taken, if that was their child, We really don't know. But investigators found this interesting and they decided to kind of circle back again and talk to Wendy, who at the time of Antonette's disappearance was only five years old. This is Antonette's youngest sister, so now at the time that they were interviewing her, she's now ten years old. So they interview her and she finally gave an account of what she remembers happening that night. She said she remembers hearing the second knock, and she said she was kind of standing a little bit behind Antonette, and Antonette had asked who was at the door, and the person at the door identified himself as Uncle Joe. From there, Antonette opened the door and she was grabbed by two men and she started kicking and screaming, and they forced her into a brown van. Now, Wendy said she didn't recognize the men, but she also didn't get a great look at their faces. And she said the reason that she didn't say anything is because after Antonette's abduction, her mom was really, really sad, and she didn't want to upset her more. And she also didn't think that anybody would believe her account of what happened that night. And she was also five, So having a five year old tried to recall what they saw that night has to be so terrifying for them, and she's already dealing with the fact that her sister was taken, and I'm sure she was scared, and she was only five. Again, you can't really expect a five year old to come in with all of the details about what happened, because she was probably just as confused as anyone was about the situation. So this, this whole statement really leads us to think that whoever was at the door either had a personal connection to the family or was a relative, or at least knew that Antonette did in fact have an uncle, Joe. So Joe was married to Penny's sister, and his alibi checks out. He has a rock solid alibi for that night, and he had never ever in this whole investigation, been looked at as a suspect. But investigators do believe that whoever took her knew the family and was familiar with them, because everyone says there isn't any way that Antonette would have entered the door to somebody she didn't know or trust, especially at that early hour of the morning. So here's where things get a little interesting. Penny had been interviewed several times over the years, and at this point it's nineteen ninety four, they interview her again and it's at this point that Penny brings up that there was a second knock, and she said that she heard a knock between three thirty am and four thirty am. I think she said go ahead and answer the door, and around thirty minutes later she ended up getting up because Antonette never came back. And she said at this point in time, it was just getting light out and that is when she realized Antonette was missing. Now, this story is vastly different from what she told them initially, because initially she told them she got up at seven am, she was not able to find Antonette when she was getting the girls ready for Bible study. So there's a lot going on here. There is a lot of changing stories, a lot of discrepancies Pennies account of things. It just doesn't make sense. So let's recap this. Sadie, Antonette's sister, said she heard the first knock. Wendy, Antonette's other sister, said she heard the second knock and then Antonette answered the door. Penny talks about the second knock and tells Antonette to answer the door. Antonette answers the door and she never comes back. None of this makes any sense to me. I do believe Sadie and Wendy. I believe that Wendy did witness what she says she witnessed, and she was obviously concerned about bringing it up initially because of everything that was going on. She was probably really scared and she really didn't know what was going to happen, what had happened to her sister. And I believe her account is accurate and true. And I really don't know about Penny's account because her stories differ so much from her initial report of waking up and not being able to find Antonette at seven am. So none of this makes sense what actually happened. And why would you tell your daughter at between three thirty and four thirty in the morning to open the door and just let her open the door. She was only nine years old. That really doesn't make sense to me unless you knew who was coming over and who was at that door. So over the years, there were other eyewitness reports that people thought that they had saw Antonette, and I'm gonna just go through all of those right now. In April of nineteen eighty six, there is a witness that reported that they saw Antonette in San Antonio, and he says he saw a girl who looked Spanish in a pink dress and she was there with a blondhaired woman and they were standing on the side of the road. Again, this is an unconfirmed sighting. Whether or not this was Antonette, we do not know. There was another unconfirmed sighting in April of nineteen eighty six. There was a woman who claims she saw a brown truck at a gas station and as the truck passed by her, she thought she heard a voice screaming, help me, help me. And they thought that this could have been Antonette, and given that she was allegedly placed into a brown vehicle this kind of dust track. But again it's unconfirmed whether or not this was Antonette or not. There is another sighting of Antonette in June of nineteen eighty six at a bus depot that was located in El Paso, Texas. This person thought that he saw Antonette in the presence of two Hispanic men, and he said the girl was wearing a pink dress, white shoes, and had a birthmark on her cheek, which is similar to a birthmark that Antonette had. And then finally, in November of nineteen eighty nine, there was a man in Missouri who said he thought he saw a girl that looked like Antonette. She was at a truck stop in Waynesfield, and he said he immediately recognized the girl from the missing person's flyer and said that she was in jeans, a dirty T shirt, and a red band that had a large watch. And he said that she was acting like she was afraid of people and kind of like she was being punished for something. So, again, all of these reports have not been confirmed to have been actual sightings of Antonette, but they're interesting nonetheless and worth mentioning because you never truly know if these were Antonette, if she had been taken by somebody, if she had been sold into a trafficking type of situation. We really don't know the circumstances surrounding why she was abducted and by who. In December of nineteen ninety two, Antonette's story was featured on Unsolved Mysteries and it yielded one hundred and twenty different phone calls, but none of those tips led any closer to figuring out what had happened to Antonette. Okay, so this is a very interesting story and when I first started researching this case, I really didn't think that this was the direction that this whole thing was going to go in. But later on, in nineteen ninety four Dorian talks with the FBI, Penny said that she was involved in Antonette's adduction and even asked, quote, what if me and Emo did this, would we both go to prison? She then admitted she and Emo put together a plan prior to Antonette being abducted, and she had told Emo that she wanted to know what was going to happen, how what was going to happen, but Emo told her she was better off not knowing, But she did admit knowing who was going to come and who was going to be taking her daughter. At least this is what she told the FBI allegedly, and I guess it's really not even alleged at this point, because there is a whole transcript of her conversation with the FBI what she told them, and I don't believe that this was ever made public until after the fact. But despite this, they were never able to bring any charges against Emo or against Penny, and I'm really unsure as to why that was, because it sounds like she admitted it, which is just so wild to me. But they very much do believe that Penny had something to do with her daughter's disappearance, or at least knowledge of who was involved who took her all of that. They also do say that Penny failed a polygraph test, But I'm going to be the first one to admit I don't think polygraph tests are necessarily an admission of guilt or innocence, because I know if you were to question me on anything, no matter how innocent I was, if you're hooking me up to a polygraph test, I'm probably going to fail because I'm a very anxious human and I don't do well under pressure. So let's get back to the story. If you remember, this emo person was the person that had allegedly brought Antonette Flowers three prior times leading up to her disappearance, which is just really bizarre behavior for an adult male to be acting like this towards a child, And I really don't even know what to think about this in the grand scheme of things, if he was the person that was involved in her abduction, especially thinking that her mom could have had inside knowledge as to what happened to her and have been involved in the planning of it. It all just really blows my mind. Unfortunately, Penny passed away in April of nineteen ninety nine in Arizona. She had liverserhosis along with different cardiac issues and passed away at the age of forty six. Prior to her death, the FBI wanted another interview with her. They wanted to interview her on her deathbed to see if she would confess to anything, but unfortunately they arrived too late and she had already passed away upon their arrival. In a twenty sixteen interview that the Albuquerque Journal did with Wendy, who was the youngest sister of Antonette, she talked about all of the different struggles her and her family went through following Antonette's disappearance, and she said it really broke their whole family apart. She said, unfortunately, as she got older, she had turned to drugs and alcohol to try and cope with the horrible situation that her family had been put in. Wendy said in two thousand and seven she finally turned her life around. She went to rehab. She got her life back on track the best way that she could, and she still holds out hope that her sister is out there and that her sister is safe, and she said that she really will have a hard time accepting that her sister is dead and will need proof of that to ever accept it. In June of twenty twenty two, Sadie gave an interview to KOATV, and she said that it's very difficult to not have closure in her sister's case, to not know what happened to her sister, and that they often think about Antonette, wondering how she is, what she's doing, what kind of life she's living in, hopes that she knows that her sisters are always here for her. And I honestly can't imagine that these girls had an easy upbringing. Following Antonette's disappearance and abduction, I'm sure it has to weigh so heavily on them every single day what happened to her. They probably replayed the actions of what led up to her disappearance, and then there's all the rumors and speculation and finger pointing that happens. I imagine it had to be really really hard on all of them. So that is kind of where I was going to leave the episode, But I wanted to see if there was any updates, because that last little bit of information was from twenty twenty two, so I wanted to see if there was anything else going on. So I started looking for more information and I wanted to see if there was a more recent update. And I happened upon a YouTube channel that I'm going to link below in the show notes, and it is a YouTube channel called Christina Gutierra's TV. And Christina, along with a retired detective who is now a private investigator, really dig into Antonette's disappearance. They sit down with Sadie and they go through everything. They go into detail about the alleged confession from Penny, and there's a lot of good information in these videos. I'm gonna link two of the videos below, and I highly suggest if you want a little more insighted info, go watch those videos. They have a whole series on Antonette. It is long, it is complicated, there is a lot of information, and there's so much I mean, I could probably do a multiple part series on Antonette's case alone because there is so much information. There was a girl that came forward that believed that she could have been Antonette, and they talked with her. They ended up bringing her in and they ended up doing a DNA test and comparing it with the DNA of antonette sisters, and it was confirmed that this girl was in fact not Antonette. The DNA was not a match, but this woman very much still believes that she's Antonette and it just became this whole thing. You can go watch that episode on the YouTube channel. And then there was another episode that they did of a woman who allegedly thought that she spotted Antonette in a restaurant. So this sighting was recent in August of twenty twenty three, and this restaurant was an Albuquerque I'm going to link the episode as well below for you guys, because there's a lot of information going on here. But this woman very much thinks that she saw Antonette in this restaurant. She snapped a picture of this person. They were with a woman, and she said she knew this girl was Antonette because she had grown up in the same town as Antonette. She grew up in Gallup. She was familiar with her and she knew that that is who she saw. So you can watch that whole episode. I'm going to link up below so you can see everything that they talked about because it's really intriguing. If nothing else, this woman seems like she has some really valid points as to why she thinks that this was Antonette. So I truly do think that a lot of the secrets in this case died with Penny, and I very much do think that there's a possibility that Antonette is still out there and maybe she was sold into some type of trafficking situation, maybe there was some drug stuff involved. There are so many different possibilities here, and there's just so much that's involved. I feel like I could go on and on and on. But there are likely still people out there that know something about what happened to Antonette, have some type of knowledge about what happened, and those are the people that we really have to hope grow a conscience and decide that they're going to finally tell what they know about her disappearance, because her sisters deserve to know. They deserve to have that closure. They were only five and seven when she was abducted, and they deserve to know what happened to their sister. If she still is out there, they deserve to be able to have that relationship with her. And I can't even imagine if Antonette is still out there, what her life has been like, what she's experienced over the years. I do believe that she is alive, and I wasn't really sure that I was going to come to that conclusion when I first took on this case and first started digging in. But I do believe that she is still out there somewhere, and she might not even know who she is or the background of who she is, and have any recollection of being abducted. I am going to be posting some childhood pictures of Antonette as well as some age progress photos of Antonette because those are so important to getting her face out there to maybe somebody will recognize her and realize that she could in fact be a missing girl from nineteen eighty six. So you're going to leave it at that. I'm going to link all of those UTAH videos below. Do your own research on this one, because it is a rabbit hole if I ever found one, and I really liked that YouTube channel. I've watched all of the videos on Antonette. There's a lot. So they're continuously investigating her case. They are really at the forefront of it, and I think if there is a break in this case. It's a million percent going to be because of their hard work and dedication to figuring out the truth and figuring out what happened. So I want to thank you guys so much for joining me on this super wild ride. I had no idea that it was going to be such a rabbit hole when I first dug into it, but I appreciate you as always. Thank you for listening, and I will see you next week for a brand new case, and I hope you have a great weekend. By