Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now on true crime, and then together we're going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey guys, today I am joined by Ciara, one half of the Unsolved Couple. We are going to chit chat a little bit about the newest developments in the possible allegedly Chicago Tylenol murder. There's been a lot going on in the last day or two. I do want to preface, they made this very clear during the press conference that this person. Is not a suspect, but things are just kind of aligning. And as two people who do a lot of unsolved cases, Sierra and her husband Ben cover a unsolved mysteries from start to finish and I figured she's the best person to talk about it with so we're gonna get into it so Sierra what do you know as far as this whole thing goes have you guys. Covered this episode of unsolved mysteries yet. We've covered I need to go back and look and see when it was because I believe we talked about it a little bit but I think it was in relation to another one because I remember we had the Tylenol murders and then we also had We did have another poisoning on Unsolved Mysteries. It was NyQuil. It was right around the same time. And then nationwide we had Excedrin murders. All kind of like happening at the same time. Or, you know, because this is almost like a weird public hysteria. Like there was cops driving up and down streets telling people to like get rid of their Tylenol. And, you know, thinking about it, I can't imagine going into a store and just being able to access over-the-counter meds without, like, tamper-proof things. It's just so wild. It's amazing what kind of weird safety protocols we live with every day that happened because people chose to do something terrible. Because I can't be the only one that's been sick before. Dayquil and NyQuil, I think, are the worst. their capsules are in like the most impossible to open thing. And you're like, yes. So hard to open already. And now I'm trying to like struggle to get this. Yeah. Yes. So true. And I've, I've watched the Netflix documentary. I've watched several things about it. I've listened to tons of podcasts. Cause I think it's fascinating in a terrible way. It's diabolical. I mean, it potentially could have been on the scale of, you know, a bioterrorism attack. Like, There are so many things that this could have been mass murder. It was, but for it to legitimately get nationwide coverage so quickly and for it to be cyanide, which kills so fast, so. Fast, and then for it to not be solved. Yeah. And there's been a lot of obviously speculation around who was responsible. They did have a main suspect who is now deceased. I covered the Chicago Tylenol murders, I want to say in the first like three months of my podcast. And I first heard about it. I remember hearing about it growing up, but heard about it at CrimeCon. Candace DeLong was Did a session on it. I think it was one of my first crime cons. And I was just so intrigued by it. Because the person that was the number one suspect. Was still at that point. Still alive. Still walking amongst us. And had never been. At James Lewis. Yeah. That man. I don't know. I mean. Is so creepy. Yeah. I always felt. Up until yesterday. I very much felt like. he was more likely than not the guy. It seemed like. Everything lined up and I'm not discounting him by any means. He is now deceased, but yesterday just kind of threw a wrench in everything. Tell me if you want to go with that. Cause to this day, he is still my, like even the photo of the flight attendant buying it, that man in the background, they've never identified the man in the background. It looks just like him. There's too many, coincidences in that creepy man with his tic-tac-tee. This, to me. Is another story that is one of those original gateways into true crime. I think a lot of people heard about this in the early days. Now, there's also overlap with what I'm about to tell you in Unsolved Mysteries because the person we're going to talk about was a John Doe for many, many, many. Years, for decades. Also was featured on Unsolved Mysteries. was known as the unknown wanderer. So we're going to kind of delve into that a little bit. I am going to be reading off of my phone. So forgive me. No, you're totally fine. I'm actually going to look it up and see what episode he is. Yeah, there is a, let me, there's a unsolved, you know, the unsolved mysteries wiki. I'm sure you live on there. William L. Toomey. William L. Toomey. Is the name he was kind of known by, even though that wasn't his real identity. Is it E-L for an L? So I'm going to. Or is it just William L? Yeah, William L. And then T-O-O-M-E-Y. Let's see what it originally said. Let me know when you're ready. I am going to. Give you a rundown here. They usually put, oh my gosh, this Wikipedia or this wiki page on it is. Okay. It doesn't say when it originally aired on there, but go ahead and give us the rundown and I'll see if I can keep looking. Okay. So I might miss some things here and there. There's some things on the wiki that are more detailed than they give in the press conference, but we can always go back and fill in details. So the gist of it is on December 4th of 1982, a man was found deceased inside of a church in Idaho. It's called the Sacred Heart Catholic Church. And he died from ingesting cyanide. And he was dressed very nicely. He had fresh dyed hair. His hair was, you know, freshly cut, brand new clothes. He had a wallet in his pocket, but it didn't have any identification. He had some money on him and he had a couple of key rings with close to 30 keys on them, which again, very interesting. So inside of the wallet, there was this piece of paper and it had the name William L. Toomey on it. So they assumed that was his identity, although that was. A fake identity, a fake name. But inside of his pocket, with that note, it read, in the event of my death, the enclosed currency should give more adequate compensation for my funeral or disposal, preferred to be. Cremated, expenditures. What is left over, please take this as a contribution to this church. God will see to your honesty in this. And it was signed W.M.L. Toomey, which they presumed was short for William L. Toomey. And that was not his real identity. They did not know who this man was, but they knew he had died by suicide. He had taken the cyanide that he had ingested. And he just kind of became known as the unknown wanderer. And.... He was a John Doe. So until 2018, when a member of that church approached somebody at the Ada County's office, Ada County, Idaho, to kind of look into this because it was something that always bothered this member. Of the church. So they started... looking into it and they didn't have a ton to go off of. So they started with the keys. They had close to 30 keys on these key chains. So there was two keys in particular that they were able to really hone in on. One of them had a something etched in. It looked like it had been etched in like with some tools or something. And that was a. Key that had a address that was associated with Jacksonville, Florida. One of the other keys was they were able to trace it back to a hardware. Store in Jacksonville, Florida. So they started kind of running some property deeds for that street that this one key went to. And one name in particular kind. Of caught their attention. I don't really know why they didn't go into that in the press conference. But they saw that this person had passed away in 1989. So they contacted one of his living relatives who was living in Los Angeles. It ended up being this person's brother. And he said his brother had gone missing in 1982, which lines up with this unknown wanderer. But they had him declared deceased in 1989. So that's kind of how that lined up. So they proceeded from there to collect a DNA sample from the brother, and they analyzed it from the unknown wanderer's wallet DNA, and it matched. So this unknown wanderer officially has a name, and it's Dr. Matthew Francis Batowski. He is a PhD, very smart man, chemist, and was from a very prominent family in L.A. His grandfather was actually even interim mayor at points in time. So this was a very well-off, prominent family. Matthew was very intelligent, but he was also very paranoid. And at some point in time, he. Also got a TBI and after the TBI, he was more paranoid and he was just very fixated on chemistry and explosives and the use of explosives and all of that. So I'm really interested to see how, okay. Yeah. And we're going to get into, there's New Mexico's involved. New Mexico is coming up. So is there and highly paranoid, like different things we might see in someone like this. Okay. Yeah. Yes, for sure. So like I said, in 1974, he had a TBI, which made, like I said, some. Of his issues way worse. In 1975, he worked for a flavors and fragrances company. And after three years, there were concerns that mounted that he basically had been talking to people that he worked with about the perfect crime and how cyanide could be used to take someone's life. He had this fascination with cyanide. And people said that. They often saw him talking to himself. And he always was extra paranoid that people were watching him and tracking him. And like I said, after the TBI, this just got worse and worse. So people that surrounded him and cared for him did try very much to get him help. He did receive in and outpatient psychiatric treatment. And actually was admitted to the UCLA Neuropsych Institute in 1979. And after he got out of there, he then went back to Florida where he lived and went back to work. But they very quickly realized it wasn't going to work out and he was terminated. So he liked to journal and keep up with what was going on in his life. So he wrote about some of his mental issues. He wrote about being depressed, possibly being schizophrenic. I don't know if he had a official diagnosis of schizophrenia or not, but he wrote about that. Kind of stuff. In 1979, his mom passed away and he kept receiving mental health treatment in Florida. Later in 1979, he worked on a NASA-related project and had moved. To Las Cruces, New Mexico. So he's now leaving Florida, going to New Mexico, where he is working and living and working on this NASA project. So in March of 1982. He ends up losing his job there. And the circumstances why he lost his job are as follows. He had gone to a pharmacy in New Mexico and was demanding from the pharmacist that they give him capsules. I don't know what medicine, they didn't go into details, but they refused, obviously, because you just can't give out random medicine to random people. And he was adamant, I need these. It's for an experiment I'm doing. I have to have them. The cops ended up coming. It was like a big ordeal. And yeah, yeah, it was like he caused a major scene. Yeah, he was obsessed with it. So that ended up with him losing his job in New Mexico. So one of his coworkers actually said that. He had spoken with this coworker that you could poison somebody. Using over-the-counter meds with cyanide. Was there a movie or a TV show or something? Just weird. Yeah, but one of the New York suspects, I think, and I could be wrong, that they got into his house and had a search warrant. He had had the same conversation at work with a co-worker and kind of made a comment about that. And he considered himself an amateur chemist. Let me see. Do you know which one I'm talking about? So I'm like, was there something happening? I don't know. That might sound familiar, but I'm not sure. I need to go back because this one was on the Netflix documentary. I'm just trying to remember. They got into somebody's apartment. In New York. And this is when I think the first suspect was in prison. Because he'd been arrested for the extortion. Interesting. And then there was things that happened. And they were in this, I think they were in the New York area. And they got into this guy's apartment. And there was, like, a chemistry book. And, like, he considered himself an amateur chemist. Which, find a hobby. Because that seems like. The most like boring amateur. I could never. I'm not. I'm not that. I am not that person. And he had mentioned something similar to about like it would be so easy to kill somebody with like arsenic and they would never know or like put it in there. And so I'm like a weird person. movie or book or something where that was the plot or that was, I always want to know sometimes if something like that goes back into culture. Cause I think. I'd have to look that up. That's interesting. I'm going to have to look it up too. I'll let you know. So he, like I said, he was terminated from this job in New Mexico. Now, shortly after that, his dad passed. So he has losing his job in Florida and, moving to New Mexico, his mom passing, losing his job in New Mexico, his dad passing. So that's a lot of trauma in a short time for one person who's already. If someone is already on that verge of snapping, for lack of a better word. Yes, yes, exactly. Yes, so. In the investigation that they are now doing, now that they know this guy's identity. they were able to speak with his brother. And I believe his brother lived still in the home that they lived in as children. And Matthew would often go back to visit his brother and spend time in this house. So his brother not only. Lived in the home that they were raised in, he also had a lot of Matthew's furniture, his bed, his dresser, his desk. And when Matthew would go back, this is where he would do a lot of his journaling and a lot of his writings and that kind of stuff. So they have now all access to all of this furniture and all of these items. So they found photos, letters, and his UCLA medical services card. They found a map of Chicago and And they also found a small bottle of cyanide sodium. So I don't really know. I'm not a chemistry human at all. There's the sodium and the potassium. Sodium, potassium. Now, the potassium is what was used in the Chicago Tylenol murders. So it's a different type of cyanide, but still, the sodium one that they found. Was it contained organic properties, meaning that they believed that it was homemade and that he had made it because he was a chemist, so he knew what he was. Doing, right? So there was a random May of 1982 unsolved cyanide poisoning in Las Cruces, which, again, could be coincidental. Isn't that a weird coincidence? It's not like there was something like a common method of homicide. This is a way of. The. Cyanide poisoning is interesting. Now, that case is unsolved. The victim was a female. I don't know any more about it other than I don't think they ever did any official testing on any medications or anything to officially be able to say if she willingly ingested it or somebody gave it to her or the proximity of him to her there was any correlation there yeah so that's a little interesting tidbit so in 1980 and in 1981 he also wrote in his journals about having an interest in visiting Chicago. And in 2024, when they were going through all of this evidence that was found in the furniture that his brother had, they actually found photos and proof of that he did visit Chicago likely in 1981. So that's a. Year before the Tylenol murders, right? So they are not at this point in time able to place. Him in Chicago in 1982. But they believe that maybe they could continue to gather more information that could connect him to Chicago in 1982. Because, again, it all just seems so coincidental. And following that, he. Went to the church that day. They believe he went for confession, to confess his quote-unquote sins. Now, the person that he confessed to, allegedly, Father Peter O'Grady... There was no statement or anything given by him to investigators about what he saw or heard that day. But the detective basically said that they have heard some interesting things. Now, like I said, they're not naming him as a suspect at this time. And they do obviously have a lot more information. They're not releasing everything to the public at this time because they're trying to gather everything and bring everything together. So I will say he took his own life December 4th of 1982. The Tylenol murders occurred in September of 1982. His phone records indicate that on September 14th. Of 82, he called. A chemical supply company. On October 4th, he called SmithKline's Pharmaceutical Company, which is in Pennsylvania. They don't know the context of those phone calls, but those are two phone calls that are interesting, given the timeline and what we're looking at. Now, on, so. Seven weeks before he passed away, before he took his own life, he disappeared from his Las Cruces residence. he had told somebody that he had been doing some traveling recently and he ended up selling his car and getting rid of that near the Mexico border. He ended up changing his appearance because he very much wanted to conceal his identity. And he went to the church and took his own life via cyanide. So this was very shortly after the Chicago Tylenol murders happened. He was very financially well off. He came from a very wealthy family. He wasn't hurting for money whatsoever. He did live in many different places, California, Texas, New Mexico, Ohio, Florida, and then somehow ended up in Idaho. I don't know where the Idaho at all comes in, but for some reason. Did he grow up Catholic? You know what? I don't know. That's a good question. Yeah. I, I don't know about that. And then I think I had another, go ahead. I'll see if I can remember. I had another random like thought. It might be, I wonder if there's any, there's a lot of information on this wiki. I didn't, I just found this when I got home today. Undiagnosed possibility of schizophrenia or an official diagnosis of schizophrenia. Yeah. I don't know if he was diagnosed. They talk about it in the press conference, but they didn't really say if it was an official diagnosis or not, because he was in and out of mental health facilities, so he might have. Been diagnosed with it. Yeah, because his behavior seems almost erratic. Very erratic. I think of, in my mind, and obviously the only. quote-unquote, expertise I can bring to anything like this is just years of watching documentary and criminal minds and listening to podcasts, is that the Tylenol murders do seem highly organized. Yeah, I agree. Like, someone very smart, obviously. Yeah, and he was obviously very intelligent. Very smart, calculated. Yeah, it was, yeah, calculated, meticulous, all calculated. It definitely reads to me more like somebody who, I don't know, like a very well thought out executed plan instead of sort of the moment or random. Now, it does say now that I'm looking at this Unsolved Mysteries. Wiki, it says that They believe that. He ingested the cyanide and then waited for the confession time, which they think was about 4 p.m. And he basically was, he took it at a time where he knew that it wouldn't go through his body super quickly. Maybe he took, you know, less than usual so he could time it right so he could do the confession and then the church would clear out and then he would ultimately pass away. But they did, it does say that The person who did the press conference believes that he was intimately connected to the Catholic Church. So he did have some. That does make sense. So I looked it up. According to just a quick Google search, the William L. To Me Unsolved Mysteries is season two, episode 22. But when I. So you definitely have done it. Well, maybe not. Because... Season two is that one weird season that there's only 19 episodes available online. Because a lot of. For those of you that don't know, a lot of the original Unsolved Mysteries episodes are not available online anymore. So it messes with the skew of the flow of the show and everything. Yeah, and FilmRise has never said anything as to why they. Took those ones out. And so.... We technically did not cover it. Because I was like, why is this not sounding familiar at all? Yeah. To episode 22, but for all streaming services and what's available on FilmRise and all the websites that we know of to watch Unsolved Mysteries, season two only goes up to episode 19. And I wonder why. No, no, I'm going to try, after we get off this, I'm going to try to see. If I can find a segment of what they covered about his. Because I would like to watch it too. And they even have a sketch of the man. And now I don't know if I'm going to, I can't, yeah. Yeah. And the sketch of him looks, I don't know if you're going to be able to see this, but. Like that's him. That's Matthew. Yeah, I did see that sketch earlier. Right there. And then that's the sketch. It's very similar. Very similar. Very similar. And this is him when he was younger. That's probably his high school photo. I mean, handsome guy back in the day. So what are your thoughts in him apples to apples with James Lewis? I wanted to go back and it's been a while since I've covered the Chicago Tylenol murders. I know it, obviously, but- And I've always, like I said, been convinced of James Lewis's guilt, but now I'm. Lying around the Chicago area, him and his wife. And he's interviewed on the Netflix documentary. Yes. Yes. His whole vibe. And there was the whole extortion thing. He admitted to that. But then he also, because he made some comments about how like, trying to remember without paraphrasing it incorrectly. Like all I did was write a letter. Like what's the worst that can happen? A paper cut. Like, yeah, but I remember he also was like an accountant. He was extremely smart, but he seemed to be the kind of person that held insane grudges. So one, he was an accountant and I can't remember what happened with the guy in the attic that was found chopped in half that he was like good for that murder. They found an old man in the attic that he had like been money from, but because the cops failed to read him his Miranda rights, everything that they, cause I think they didn't say he confessed, but they said that they had him dead to rights based on the statements that he made after the police brought him in. So he got like this weird free pass. And then he had the death of his daughter that had Down syndrome. And then his wife was working for a travel agency and he was mad about a check bouncing. Not even that they didn't pay her or anything, but just that a payday check didn't, like it bounced. And he was like so angry about that as like such a slight that why he wrote the extortion letter and tied it to this guy's bank account like that to me seems like dude let it. Go very calculated angry and vengeful over a bounced check. Angry yeah So I don't know. I mean, they did say they want to be very clear. He is not being identified as a suspect in the Chicago Tylenol murders at this point. But obviously they've laid out all of this stuff and they're still, they said this could take years to fully investigate, obviously. And they do, of course, know more than they're saying. They have to keep some things, you know. close to the vest to protect the investigation. But I don't know. They have to have something to connect. A guy from New Mexico found in Idaho. Okay, so he liked chemistry. All right. That doesn't like, you know, and visited Chicago once. So there's got to be, because I think if you laid that out to any standard detective, they'd be like, okay, I can probably find you thousands of people that fit that description. Yeah, there has to be, I'm sure there's something more because the person that connected all of this, like to me, it's crazy because he also did make comments about lacing over-the-counter meds with cyanide, which again is very Tylenol murders. Coded right around that same time. I wonder. Very mentally unwell. And his name was tied to a tip. Yeah. Because that seems like something. Maybe that's kind of. I mean, can you honestly remember something about a co-worker from, even a creepy co-worker from 15, 20 years ago? I fully can, but I am a weirdo. That's why I love you. This is why I need to hang out on vacation with people like you, because I'm the puppy dog that's like, sure, Jan, like, whatever, I would. It would be out of my brain so fast. I fully have some stories, but I'm not going to share them on the podcast. I can tell you off camera. I even have notes in my phone. If I see something weird or suspicious where I'm like, I heard this like loud noise at this time, or someone said this, or I saw this while driving on this point, because if I don't write it down, it's going to be gone. And I want that there in case someone's like, hey, we have this missing person or this terrible thing happened and did you see her or anything? I'm like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like day-to-day things, obviously. I try to pay attention if I see. Like a younger child or something walking on the side of. The road by themselves. And I mean, you know. teenage teenage-ish and I'm keeping an eye out for what they look like. There's so many, there's so many runaways and you know, other things that you. Just never know. But I try to be very mindful. Yeah. You've got to have your head on a swivel there. Yeah. It's wild over here. There was a 15 year old shot at school. Like what Monday by another kid, by a 14 year old, they had just gotten dismissed. And he just shot him. I don't know. When there's like actually no reason to do that, obviously, but I don't know the reasoning behind it. And like, how did you get a gun into the school? You obviously had it with you all day. So, yeah, it's wild out here. I'm trying to think. The kind of weirdo at work or whatever, when I was like in my early, cause you know, this is several years potentially before trying to be like, could you have logged if someone had said something like off putting or weird to you to be like, okay, Tom, that's cool. I'm glad you like to take somebody out with cyanide. Like. So he must have either said that a lot or it stuck out to somebody pretty. And I wonder if it happened and then they called that Tippin and so his name pulled up in that. That's just my speculation. Yeah, it must have been. Because it seems like every job he had, there was people that would say he did this, he did this. Nothing ever really worked out for him as far as work because of, I guess, some of his behaviors. And he did have all the mental health issues. So, yeah, there's a lot going on in this whole thing. And I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see if they are able to officially tie it to him. If James Lewis is going to be off the hook once and for all. He's so gross i don't know he looks like he shoved tic tacs i mean tic tacs into his mouth because his teeth look like like the chiclets look like like it looks like tic tacs like it's like circular go back and look at a picture of it you'll be exactly what i'm talking about when you. See i have to look it's been a minute since i've since i thought of him honestly i. How many victims there was five or six right away in the chicago murders. It was it was seven it was seven. Like three of them from one family, right? One family. Yeah. I don't feel good. Pop a couple Tylenol. The family comes over to mourn. Yes. They have a headache, obviously. And they all need Tylenol. Yeah. And I, that's the, yeah. Watching, seeing that picture of the flight attendant, like in her flight uniform, looking like a snack. To then like, she's buying Tylenol in the surveillance picture video of her. And you're like, She legitimately just wrote a check for her own passing. For her own death. Isn't that terrible? It's terrifying. And she, yeah, went home. And, like, her sweet friend that I think was the one that was like, something's wrong if she didn't show up to work. Yeah. I mean, a 12-year-old girl just came from school. I've got kids that it's like, yeah, if you've got kids feeling good, Take a shower, take a hot bath. Here's some Tylenol. Lay down. Like the number of times you reach for meds and don't even think about it. Especially when you're in America. Like we don't think about it at all. Now even to get Sudafed, you have to like show your ID. I hate when I'm sick because I always do grocery delivery because I hate the grocery store with a passion. So I do not go to the grocery store. So I do grocery delivery. And if I'm sick and I need NyQuil or anything... That you have. To show an ID for. I get so annoyed because I don't want to show the driver my ID. I just don't. I don't want to interact. I have a note on my grocery delivery that is like, do not ring the doorbell. Just leave it at the stoop. Yeah, just leave it. If I forget that it's there, it's on me. But I like, yeah. It's interesting to see even how this wasn't that long ago, the different safety protocols that have been put into place. Not that long ago. Things, and not even for the reasons that I would have guessed. If you had said, hey, Sierra, why do you think that there's, like, a safety seal? I would have assumed it was to keep kids out of taking medicine when they thought it looked like candy. Like, that's where my mind would have gone to. I would never think, oh, some weirdo poisoned a bunch. Of people in Chicago. Like, I would never think that was cyanide. Didn't a lady murder her husband through... the tampering of medication, and so then she had to tamper a few other... Is that what the Excedrin one was? No, I can't remember. I'm getting so many of. Them mixed up. I can't remember. The only thing I can think of is this closely related. Oh, here it is. For a long time, baby formula. I wasn't there something a couple years... I mean, this would have been maybe 10, 12 years ago. There was... I think people were. Lacing? I don't know. I can't remember what. Something happened. Someone got sick with baby formula. And it turned out. I think that someone tampered with it on shelves. Because it was the same thing. All it was was just a plastic lid and a thing. And salt. Which happened to kill a bunch of babies up in New York. With the salt poisonings. By accident. So that now baby formula. And I haven't bought baby formula in 14 years. But I think that's even had to change now because something terrible was happening to it. Because it's terrible. What a world. What a world. Oh, man. Yeah. I don't know. So this one's interesting. I don't know what's going to come of it. But yesterday was just a weird day. It was a weird day. So many breaking things. Yeah. We have my friend Katie had texted me at work and she said, they're about to announce something about the Chicago Tylenol murders, something about Idaho. And I'm like, what is going on in Idaho? Like what? Excuse me. And I was at work. So I couldn't listen to the press conference. So as soon as I got home, I listened and I'm like feverishly taking notes and holy moly. Yeah. I mean, I, the world of true crime right now, I feel like every week, is like something else crazy has been developing. Always. It feels like it's been always. And I recorded my, you know, I do my right now in true crime. I try to do it on Thursdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays, but I had a plumber coming yesterday, so I didn't want to do it yesterday. Okay. So I was like, I'm going to do it on Tuesday. There's a lot going on. I can talk about it. This broke yesterday. And I was like, are you joking? It was not even like at nine in the morning or in the day. It was like at 11. It's definitely crazy. True crime life for sure. I feel like I can't even always keep up with it, but that's what we do. Yep. That's what we do. Oh, good. The full-time job. Somebody's got to do it. Yeah. I don't know how we do it. I don't know how we do it either. But I love doing it. It's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys, if you haven't listened to Unsolved Couple, go. Back and listen. I'm still in the middle of your latest episode now. I know. The last couple ones, we've had some long nights. Let's hear and better great. We've had some long recordings. But some of these, there's a lot of updates on some of these that are pretty in-depth. Yes. I love. That's my favorite because back in the day, you would maybe get an update here and there, but we're in 2026 now. So there is a lot of updates on so many of these cases. So that's the, I. Want to say fun part about it because you get to hear solved, not solved. And I think too, it's even nice. I've talked to a few victims' families and some of their cases haven't been covered since the pandemic. late 80s or early 90s, when they were on Unsolved Mysteries. Right. It kind of popped, and then no one ever talked to them again, or lots of the direct family members have passed away, so no one's talking about some of these cases. You and Megan and several other people can also pick up these kind of lesser-known unsolved cases and talk about them. There's still active tip lines, and I think a lot of them are very solvable. Yeah. So many of them are so solvable. There's DNA. It's just getting somebody to go back through the file and push for it. I mean, that's how this identity of this unknown wanderer was solved because somebody asked law enforcement, hey, can you look back into this? And that was in 2018. So from 1982 to 2018. They didn't know who this man was. And now it's all unraveling into he could be Tied to one of the most notorious mass murders in Chicago. Unsolved, unsolved cases. So it's so important. Like I can be harsh on law enforcement. I respect law enforcement. But I also hold them to a higher standard. So I'm like, yeah, I expect better of you. Yeah. But in this case, like this thing, holy moly. Like if it is what we. Think it could be. What a cool connection that they were able to make that. And bring some resolve to these cases. Because, yeah, I mean, you've got a girl all the way up to a family that lost three members in 24 hours. Exactly. Some of the first responders to that. Like watching someone die and not being able to help them because. And not being able to do anything about it. Because nothing's working because you don't know what's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Cyanide is crazy, man. Man. No, this was great. It's going to be interesting. Thank you so much for having me on. Yes, thank you for hopping on. Anytime there's a weird thing you want to talk about in true crime, you know I'm always available for that. I appreciate you chatting. And I'll send you this episode too so you can post if you want. All right. Thanks, Sierra. Y'all go check out Unsoft Couple. They're the best. Thanks. Love you. Bye. Love you.
