Carol Ann Dougherty

Warning, this episode contains graphic crime scene detail as well as talk of sexual assault. Please listen with discretion. Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now in true crime, and then together we're going to work on warming. Up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys, welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We have a quick little right now in true crime, a little housekeeping to do, and then we're going to get into today's episode, so housekeeping. Next week, I am going to be bringing you. A guest episode case from my friend Holly with Crime with Holly. If you have been listening to my podcast, you've heard from Holly before. And then I will be back the following week, and then I am going to be doing another guest episode the week of Thanksgiving from my friend Kadra from Perplexity, a mystery podcast. She has so graciously also shared an episode with me so that way I can share it with you guys. And mostly it's so I can have a little bit of time off just to completely unplug from my real job and the podcast job, especially the week of Thanksgiving, because I am really trying to give myself that time off from work, my real work and my podcast work just to very much take some time off. So I am going to be sharing those two episodes in the coming weeks, but I did just want to kind of give you guys a heads up because I typically am very consistent and I still want to be consistent in sharing episodes. So both of those episodes are going to be very good, and it's also going to give you an opportunity to hear from different people and be able to check out their podcasts as well. And they are two friends of mine and two people. That I support, and they support me and always are willing to share an episode when the time comes that one of us needs it, So please check both of them out and you will be able to cure their episodes in the coming weeks. So right now, in true crime, let's get into it. So this case out of Arizona, I haven't been super following. I've seen different things on social media, but I haven't been super keeping up with it. But there was a man named Christopher Schultez out of Arizona and his daughter. Two year old daughter died last year because he left her in a very very hot car while he played video games. So he was set earlier this week to accept officially accept this plea agreement, and he was going to be sentenced, and then the night before his sentence, before he was doing court, he took his own life. And it's just so frustrating the lack of accountability that this individual has. I don't even have. Words for his actions that led to his daughter's death and then this whole thing transpiring the way it did. It's just really sad. It's all really unfortunate. None of it should have ever happened. But as of right now, that's all I really have on that. If there is anything else that transpires or comes out, I will be sure to share it with you. Now, moving on to somebody that surprisingly I guess is taking accountability is Jake Harrow, who is the father of Emmanuel Harrow, who was reported missing in August. And there was a story about the fake. Kidnapping and the mom had a black eye and so on and so forth. It ended up coming out that Jake had some really bad prior child abuse allegations. One of his children is actually quadriplegic from being abused when she was very very young. She now is living with a different family. Her name is changed. She is very, very medically fragile. She has a lot of complications from the abuse that she received from her father, Jake. And then Jake goes on and. Has baby Emmanuel, who allegedly also suffered from this horrific abuse at the hands of his father, and then he goes quote unquote missing, and everything kind of comes to life that this isn't all that. It looks like there's way more to it than him being kidnapped. So he again did plead guilty and he has been sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison. He is thirty two years old, and he was sentenced on November third, so earlier this week. And even though he played guid to murdering his son, his body still has not been found, which I think is really really interesting. What is he holding back? What isn't he telling investigators. There was one point in time when he took investigators to an area and they were searching, hopeful I think that they would find Emmanuel's remains, and they came up empty handed. So I don't really know where things are going with this. But he was sentenced twenty five years is not nearly enough time given the fact that he's only thirty two years old. I hope it's more on the life side, because he obviously took the life of am Manuel, he pled guilty to it, and he took the life of his other daughter as well, because she has lifelong disabilities because of the abuse that he inflicted on her. This is not a good person. This is a horrible, horrible human. He should have never been allowed to have more children after he. Abused his daughter. It's just awful. So if there is anything new and breaking on that, I will be sure to let you guys know. But the mom, Rebecca, she has still decided to keep her plea of not guilty. There is set to be a settlement conference on January twenty first, so that is kind of where things stand today as far as she goes. I don't know what Jake has said versus what she has said, because initially Jake said he was not guilty and then he decided to change his plea to guilty. So I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I know investigators are probably doing everything they can to try to figure out where baby Emmanuel's remains are. So if there is any update in it, I will be sure to give you guys the latest. All right, last thing I want to talk about. I'm sure there's plenty more going on in the true crime world, but this one was a little interesting to me. It was just a weird headline. Alec Murda is disturbed and disappointed with the Hulu's portrayal of his family. Now I don't even have words. So this man is serving life in prison for the murder of his wife and son, amongst many other things, financial crimes stacked on. Top of each other, stacked on top of each. Other, stacked on top of each other, and apparently he has access to Hulu in there. I don't know if I guess he has a tablet. We know that we've seen the selfies that he's taken in prison, and I guess he has access to Hulu and has watched this series that is on Hulu, which I said is amazing, and I think it is so well done. And yes there are parts that are dramatized because it is not a documentary, but he is saying that they way that his family is portrayed is not accurate, and I think, personally watching it, I feel the accuracy of things. I think it's so accurate watching him spiral in the last few days leading up to the murders, literally the financials of everything peering over his shoulder in just days, his dad going into the hospital and him being told that his dad wasn't going to make it, and Maggie leaving Mozelle and going to the beach house, like there is so much, in my opinion, that the Hulu doc really lays out and probably accurately describes. I think it shows his spiral, and I think it does a really good job at showing his spiral. But he does not like to take accountability for anything, so of course he doesn't think it portrays things accurately because in his head, he didn't do anything wrong and he shouldn't be behind bars. And it's just actually insane that he decided to make a statement about the portrayal of everything and how his family is shown. It's wild, It's truly wild. But apparently he has access to Hulu behind bars, so I think we still have a couple episodes to go. This last week's episode was so well done and I will say it so many times again. The guy that's playing Alec is amazing. His portrayal of. Him is so on point, I think that I'm watching the real Murda. It's wild. Anyways, I just thought that was a very interesting little headline because of course he has an opinion about it. It doesn't paint him in a good light. He's not going to approve of it. Of course, not so interesting nonetheless, But with all of that, we are going to go ahead and get into today's episode. Alrighty guys, we are getting into a brand new case today. This week's episode is. Going to be one of those type of episodes that is going to be hard to listen to, but I do want to share it because we have a case that has been solved after sixty two years, which is so huge in the cold case community. So today we are going to be talking about the now solved homicide and sexual assault of nine year old Carol Ann Doherty. Now, just a little PSA. I did a lot of research on how to say Carol Ann's last name, because I've heard this last name said so many different ways. But given the area that Carol Ann lived in Bristol, Pennsylvania, this is how they said the last name, which is Dougherty. So that is how I am going to be saying it, but. Apparently there are a lot of different pronunciations of the last name, and I always want to be sure that I am doing my best to say things accurately and get things as accurate as I can, So I did just want to give a little psa. I think it really depends on where you're from and where you live and all of that in regards to how you say this last name. So, Carol Ann's murder took place in nineteen sixty two in like I said, Bristol, Pennsylvania, and although her perpetrator passed away in two thousand and two, we finally have some answers about what happened to Carol Ann. And it won't come as a surprise that the man who so violently took her life had a very violent criminal history and was on the radar of law enforcement for a super long time. He was even a suspect in Carol Ann's death, but unfortunately, due to the time being what it was and technology not being as advanced, they were never able to bring charges against him for Carol's murder. For my research, I listened to the Coldest Murder podcast, which was actually created by a guy named Mike Missinelli, and he is a sports talk host in Philly, and he grew up in the same area as this case took place. He lived in Bristol, and at the time of Carol Ann's murder, his uncle was the town's. Police chief and he was only seven. He lived right around the corner from the church where this crime took place, and he remembers all of the events of that evening all too well. And he talks about in the podcast how much of a market left on him, but also on the town of Bristol. So I highly suggest you give his podcast a listen. I will be sure to link up below. In the show notes, they do go into a lot more detail on all of the different suspects and everything. I'm only about three episodes in, but I think that he does a really good job. He and his co host kind of going through everything and talking about the events that happened, going into details of. All the suspects. And I'm waiting for an update episode since this case recently was solved. So with all of that being said, let's go ahead and dive in to Carol Anne's story. Carol Anne Doherty was born to her parents Francis Joseph Frank Doherty and Dorothy. She had a younger sister named Kay. Her family had previously lived in Philly before moving to Bristol two years prior to her death. Carol was a fifth grade student at Saint Mark's School in Bristol, Pennsylvania. The Doherty family resided at sixty eight Manor Circle, which was about one point two miles from Saint Mark's Roman Catholic Church, where Carol Anne and her family attended. She also went to the Saint Mark's School that was part of the family's church. So Carol was raised in a Catholic household and was a very good kid. She was the kind of kid who would often pass by the church and stop in to say a prayer on her way to her destination. Now this was very common practice for Carol An. This wasn't anything out of the ordinary since she did grow up in the church and at school, the nuns would often tell the children, if you pass by a church, you should stop in and say a prayer. And Carol Anne was known to bike around town and she would kind of go back and forth to the local library. She loved reading and spent a lot of time going back and forth from her home to the library to return different books and check. Out new ones. And when I was researching this case, reading about Carol Anne's love for library books and going back and forth to the library, it kind of made me sad because so many things nowadays are so technology based, and I'll be honest, I'm even guilty of it because I'm such an audiobook person that libraries are just such a lost thing, and it really just kind of makes me sad that I feel like kids don't go to libraries as much anymore like I did as a child, and it's just something that I feel like we need to get back to kids going to libraries, checking out library books, seeing what the new books are. I feel like that was so exciting when I was little, to go to the library and see all the different books. That they had. So nineteen sixty two was a different time and place. Like I said, Carol often rode her bike around town, and Bristol was a really safe town and nobody ever thought anything of a child going out and riding their bike a couple of miles to go to the library or to go to the local store. This was normal back in the day. People didn't think like they think now, where you can't even let your child out of your sight for two point two seconds at a fear of something bad's going to happen to them. So it was a Monday, October twenty second of nineteen sixty two. Carol Anne had attended school that day and came home after school to change out of her school uniform and then left on her bike with two books to return to the Bristol Borough Free Library. And she was also going to meet up with a couple friends there as well. And Carol had been excited about checking out another book in the mystery series that she had been reading, so she was so excited to get these other books back and check out these other two books. Now, when I was first researching this case, I did get some conflict information on if Carol Ann made it to the library or not. But it does not seem that she ever made it to the library because the two books that she was set to return were found with her bike outside of the church where she would ultimately be found. So I did just want to bring that up real quick because there was a little bit of discrepancies there. But I think from what I've been able to tell she never did make it to the library and she was not able to meet her friends that day. So now we're going to get into kind of a timeline of the different route that Carol Ann took that day, the different stop she made, and how ultimately she ended up at. The church where she ultimately would lose her life. So, as I said, Carol Anne's mode of transportation was her bike. She was on her bike going through town. She stopped to get a coke and a candy at Tommy's Cafe and was then seen traveling on her bike down Lincoln Avenue, and then she was last seen at Saint Mark's Catholic Church, which was located at ten twenty five Radcliffe Street. So she passed by the church and decided that she was going to stop in to church to pray. And like I said, this was something that was normal for Carol Anne. She would pass by the church and she would hear what the nuns of her school told her, if you pass by church, you need to go in and pray. So that is exactly what she did. Carol Anne did not return home for dinner, so her parents, of course became very concerned and they went to go search for her. Her father Frank, found her bike outside of the church, Saint Mark's Church and went inside to look for her. Now, when he went in, he found the most horrific scene. Around five thirty pm that Monday evening, he found his daughter's body on the upstairs landing leading to the church's balcony and choir loft area. She was unfortunately deceased, and he ran out of the church in shock, trying to get somebody to help him, and authorities were of course then alerted. So once investigators arrived, it was determined that Caroline had been sexually assaulted and strangled with some type of ligature. Now, whoever did this, obviously is a real sick human to do this to a child, but especially in a church setting. Now, there were some tissues and a couple of cigarettes that were found outside of the church, and there were also some pubic cares that were in Carol Anne's hand. Now, it was nineteen sixty two, DNA was not a thing. But the investigators took what they had at the scene and took it into their possession and they began their investigation. They asked some local neighbors if they saw anything and nobody really had come forward and said that they saw anything notable that day, so initially there wasn't really any persons of interest right off that, but they kind of were going the route of checking into anyone that had a record of sex crimes. So this crime awful. For it to happen in a church, a young kid in a small little town like Bristol, it just really shocked the community. There was a lot of kids that lived in this neighborhood, and of course all of the members of the church, all of their families. It was a pretty tight knit area. I can't imagine the fear and horror that just went through the community after Carol Anne was discovered, So investigators started kind of doing their work and gathering suspects. There were four main suspects that were named over the course of the investigation into Carolan's case. I am going to talk about them all a bit because I think that they are important in the grand scheme of things in carol An's case, and one of these men did end up being the one who was named. As the killer in carol Ann's murder. So I think it's important to talk about all of them because they all kind of do have some type of connection where they could have been involved, and this is how investigators kind of go through things. They look at everything that they're presented with, and then one by one they cross them off until they get to their loan suspect. So we are going to get into the details of them. If you want way more in depth details, I do suggest you go listen to the Coldest Murder podcast that I brought up earlier, because Mike and his co host go. Into details on all of these guys. I'm just going to kind of talk a little bit about each of them and then we're going to get into where the case stands today. So the first suspect was a man named Frank Zukerro and he was a handyman and older guy, but was known as the town drunk. He was described as mentally below average intelligence, having only completed. A fifth grade education. So he was seen in the area of the church that day, and when he was questioned, he gave a confession to the murder of Carol Ann, but they later determined that it was unreliable due to his decrease mental capacity, and I'd imagine the details he gave probably didn't match up with the actual crime. And during this questioning, he was of course subjected to hours of being isolated and being questioned, and the alibi that he had was later confirmed to be true. So although Frank gave a false confession, this was not the guy. The next suspect is a nineteen year old guy named Wayne Roach, and he was from a nearby town. Now, the reason he kind of came to be is because a few days after Carol Ann's murder, his parents found a notebook or a piece of paper that had Carol Ann's name written on it and other details about her murder. So they actually phoned police and said, we don't know what to do with this, but something is going on here. So they were able to track this guy down and they were able to confirm that he was out of state and had an alibi, so he was cleared of any involvement in Carol Ann's murder. The next man was Reverend Joseph Sabotish. Now this guy is very interesting because he was a reverend and he worked at Saint Mark's Church, so the fact that he could have been. There that day is highly likely. So when he was questioned, he initially lied to investigators about where he was on October twenty second. He said that he was visiting with parishioners, but when they circled back and asked the parishioners if that was true, they said, no, he was not visiting with us. And it turns out that he was in fact not visiting with parishioners, and he was lying because he needed to cover his tracks, but not because he was a killer, but because he had been at a store buying lingerie for a female friend of his, and he was pursuing this female friend romantically although she was married, and given the fact that he was a reverend, he had taken a vow of celibacy, so he to investigators essentially because he was trying not to get caught doing something that he wasn't supposed to be doing, so they were able to confirm his whereabouts during Carol Ann's murder. So this guy is also not our guy. Now. I do think that a lot of people before the announcement of who the real killer is, thought that the reverend was probably the strongest suspect, and I can fully see that because there were apparently other reports that he was just kind of a little odd. He was kind of a little creepy. Maybe a few other people had come forward and said that he made them uncomfortable something to that effect. But you can be creepy and weird and also not be a murderer. So this guy, although he might have been weird, he was not in fact the killer. So the last suspect was a drifter named William Schrader. And there was a couple of eyewitnesses who said that they saw a man coming out of the church around the time of Carol Ann's murder, and they had reason to believe that that man was William Schrader. So he was twenty four at the time of Carol Anne's murder. He worked in town, but was a drifter. He was kind of back and forth. He was staying in Bristol with family, and he was staying in Bristol on Lincoln Avenue, which was right near Saint Mark's Church. So he was questioned following the crime. He ended up giving a pubic care sample and also took and failed a polygraph test, which I've said it before, I'll say it again. I don't put a lot of weight in polygraph tests, especially back in the sixties. But it was everything else that William did that was shady. So he gave an alibi, which was basically him saying that he was at work, but his time card proved. That was false. In fact, he had clocked out of work on October nineteen and didn't return until October twenty fourth. Police confronted him with this information, and he then changed his story and said that he was at a local junkyard replacing the motor on his car on October twenty second, and that he had finished replacing it the following day, which was October twenty third. Now, they tried to confirm the story with the owner of the junk shop, but they weren't able to. William left town shortly after this and headed for Florida. So over all of the years and all of the different testing and everything that they did, the only person that they couldn't fully exclude as belonging to the pubic care that was at the scene was William Schrader's hair. Now, technology was not advanced like it is now back then, and every time they tested it it was just inconclusive. They couldn't eliminate him as the owner of this hair, so he was always kind of on the radar. It said that it had striking similarities to the ones that were found at the scene, and over the course of this decade long investigation, they tested over one hundred and forty one samples and all the others were ruled out, but his was never able to be really ruled out. But it also wasn't conclusive that it belonged to him. So from this I think, personally, just reading what I'm reading at this point in time, that William Schrader was likely the strongest suspect, although the others are compelling and it does kind of make sense that all of them could have been involved in some way, shape or form, but he is the one for me that stands out the most. His alibi wasn't able to be confirmed. The hair sample of it all, it all just kind of isn't tied up as a nice little he didn't do it. His alibi checks out, the hair doesn't match, So for me, he would be somebody that would just kind of be on the radar, and law enforcement agreed. So it happened in nineteen sixty two, and by the nineties it had pretty much vanished from the headlines. There was a renewed interest in nineteen ninety two when the Bucks County Courier Times published a series on Carol's murder, and it basically just kind of went through everything. There was different information from the police files and interviews with some of the original investigators, and that kind of renewed interest in everything. And at this point in time is when William Schrader really became a focus of law enforcement. But by this point in time, he was already serving time in Louisiana for murder, which we're going to get into soon. But the DA at the time ended up extraditing him back to Pennsylvania from Louisiana for questioning. And when they questioned. Him, they gave him a polygraph, it was shown that he was deceptive, and then he ended up pleading the fifth in front of a grand jury. So with that, he was basically returned to Louisiana and he was never charged in anything in regards to Caro Lan's case. So from nineteen ninety two till twenty twenty four, that's kind of where things stood. There was no movement, there was nobody held responsible. And obviously, in the midst of all of this, technology is rapidly advancing day to day and Mike started his podcast in twenty twenty four as well, and just started kind of putting the pressure on everybody that had a hand in overseeing Caro Lan's case, talking about it, spreading the word, getting it out there on a more national level versus just local. And I really think that that that's what makes the biggest difference in these super old and cold cases, is not letting the pressure off, keeping that person's name out there, keeping the case out there, making sure that nobody forgets about it, because that is what is solving these cases. It's public pressure, it's. Families not giving up and not letting the people that are basically in charge of these cold cases forget that they exist. We have to keep the pressure on, and that's exactly what I believe. When Mike started the podcast The Coldest Murder, I think that really helped kind of propel things forward because everything started changing in twenty twenty four as it pertained to Caro Land's case. In twenty twenty four, the. District Attorney announced that they were taking a fresh look at everything, rerunning all the evidence and going back through everything in the investigation, and then they announced the results of their investigation in twenty twenty five, the man who killed Carol Ann Doherty was in fact none other than William Schrader. There was also this alleged confession that William had given to somebody that he had met in prison, somebody who would later become his stepson. We're going to get into all of that, but there was also this confession. So we're going to talk about the confession here in a little bit. But I do want to talk about William because this. Guy is awful, awful, awful awful. Now. He passed away in two thousand and two, and he did some really really bad things. Trigger warning on everything we're going to be talking about, because this guy is a demon, and he's the type of person that makes me really really hope that there is a hell, because that is exactly where this man belongs. And if you want to talk about the proof in the pudding that a leopard doesn't change his spots, look no further than William Schrader. So he was born on February first of nineteen thirty eight, and he spent his childhood in Pennsylvania. He started his life of bad choices and behavior and being a horrible human when he was only eight years old when he would go up to random girls in school and stop on their feet for no reason. He was then sent to a reform school where he would go on to go up to girls and just punch them in the mouth unprovoked. At age twelve, and then at age fifteen, he stole a car, and then at seventeen he decided he was going to join the army and was given a dishonorable discharge. Just a year later at. Age eighteen, when he was twenty, he was arrested for attempted murder with a handgun, and according to a Yahoo News article at the time of this arrest, for this attempted murder, he is quoted as telling a newspaper, each day I spend in prison means the victim will live one day longer. The next time I shoot him, I won't miss end quote. So this guy is very heinous, so bad that the jail that housed him didn't even want him there. They wanted to send him elsewhere. He was then placed in Eastern State Prison in Philadelphia, and then after that, after he was released, he went to live with his brother Frank in Bristol, Pennsylvania, where he at some point in time, threatened his sister in law, and as we now know, also went on to kill Carol Ann. He then left after he kind of became a suspect. He went to Florida and Texas, eventually ended up in Louisiana and married a woman named Audrey. So Audrey had children of her own. There were some that were a and there was one who was younger. So she had an adult son who were going to talk about in a little bit, and had an adult daughter and an underage daughter. Both of the daughters had special needs, and William, being a complete creepy pervert, ended up having a child with one of these children and would go on to sexually abuse that child as well. Yes, he is a horrible person. They even at some point in time adopted a child, and there was also a. Neighbor child that lived with them who was twelve. All of this is really confusing to me because I don't know how he got away with everything he did for such a long time and how he just had nothing but access to children. But it was a different time, so I have to just kind of put that in my mind as well. So there was a physical fight that. Happened between him and Audrey on Halloween in nineteen seventy and he ended up being kicked out of the house. He became very upset and verbally threatened to come back and burn the house down, And that is exactly what he did on Holloway night in nineteen seventy. He went to the gas station, he got gasoline and came back and set the house on fire that he shared with his family. Now, everybody was able. To get out, except for twelve year old Catherine Smith, who was in a room trying. To protect her two year old foster sister. And I read the case files that are available online on the arson and murder of Catherine Smith. There's a lot of information in there. I'm going to link them both below in the show notes so you can go read them for yourselves. But this guy was horrible and heinous. He was calculated. He was a monster, a true sociopathic monster. And the fact that he was able to rain all of this terror over everybody that he came in contact with for such a long time is absolutely atrocious. The fact that nobody ever realized what a horrible person this was. It's just insane to me that all of this was able to go on. So even though he did what he did in nineteen seventy, he ended up not being tried for it until nineteen eighty six and he was convicted and sentenced to twenty one years. Now he was still serving time in two thousand and two when he died from a heart attack at age sixty four. In the press conference that the District Attorney had recently about this case being solved, the DA said that he had a pattern of preying on young children. There was also two family members that he impregnated. One was a child and one was an adult with mental disabils. That was Audrey's children. I believe so this guy is majorly deranged, and I'm sure that there is more in his past that investigators haven't even uncovered yet, because this. Is just what we know now. When the Bucks County detectives were relooking into everything and reinvestigating the Carol Ann case, they found a two thousand and seven letter that said that William had confessed to Carol Ann's murder and the person that had come forward with this was a man named Robert LeBlanc. And this Robert LeBlanc guy was somebody that William had met in prison in nineteen sixty, so Robert was actually the adult son of Audrey, who William would later marry. Can you follow that? Because I was so confused? So Robert told his parole officer that William had confessed to him. He said that he and William and another friend were out drinking at a place called the Devil's Swamp when William said that he had committed the perfect murder and very much gave details which matched up to. Carol Ann's murder. And back when this confession was given, Robert wouldn't have had any knowledge of Carol Ann's murder in the details that he was able to give. So this was another reason and another little checkmark for William Schrader is definitely guilty of killing Carol Ann. So they had that, and then they also had the fact that the pubic care did officially belong to him. They sent it off in twenty twenty. Four to a lab in Texas and they were able to confirm that, in fact, the pubic care did belong to William Schrader. And the same cigarettes that were found outside of the church were also the kind that William was known to smoke during a twenty twenty five press conference in which Carol Ann's sister Kay was in attendance. They said Schrader's life was marked by a pattern of violence and sexual violence, particularly against young, pre prebescent and adolescent females. Investigators determined he sexually abused nearly every female child he lived with or had access to end quote, and that is just absolutely disgusting, not only that he was able to do this for so long, but that he accessed so many children and seemingly flew under the radar. I really don't know how he was able to get away with it for so long. He definitely had a lot of different undiagnosed mental things going on. Not giving him any excuse at all because he is a absolute monster. But it's interesting this day and age, if somebody were to exhibit those traits, I would hope and think that they would be locked up and they would be behind bars and not just allowed to be out and about. He seemingly just bounced around from town to town to town. He manipulated people, he took advantage of people, and he always had access to children, which just makes me absolutely sick to my stomach knowing what he did and knowing that he's probably done things that we don't even know about at the moment. So Kay, who is Carol Ann's sister, She was only three when her sister died, and she remembers just the absolute horror of that evening and her dad screams and cries, And unfortunately, Carol's parents passed away without knowing what happened to their daughter. Dorothy, Carol's mom died in nineteen seventy five at only fifty four years old, and Frank died in two thousand and one at age seventy seven. And Kay is the only immediate family member that is left of Carol Anne's And like I said, she attended the press conference and she's and it's very powerful. I'm going to link it below in the show notes. You guys can go watch and listen. And she said that Carol Ann's murder changed my family's life forever, and our family lived without answers, and the uncertainty surrounding Carol's death became a part of who we were. My parents both passed away without knowing on this earth who murdered their daughter. After so many decades of unknowing, this finding finally brings closure and a truth to a wound that never healed, And when you think about it, it has been such a long time since Carol Ann's life was taken Her poor parents had to live out the rest of their entire lives without ever knowing what happened to their daughter, and knowing that the person that did that probably was walking around harming other people as well. But when I always say time is running out for these horrific humans that have gotten away with stuff for such a long time, I mean it. This happened in nineteen sixty two. DNA didn't even exist and the small town of Bristol, the police department took the DNA and they stored it, and they stored it in an attic of the police department, and a lot of it was degraded, and every time they tried to run it, they couldn't run it because it was degraded. But twenty twenty five technology solved Carol Ann's case, a case that happened in nineteen sixty two. So it's only going to get better. They're only going to be able to solve more. Crimes with less. If you have a minuscule amount of DNA and it's degraded, they're going to be able to solve crimes with that super minuscule degraded DNA because technology is advancing and predators that are out and about lurking, their. Time is running out now. Unfortunately, William Schrader passed away in two thousand and two, so he never had to pay for his crimes. And that is why I say I hope that there is a hell, because if there's somebody that belongs there, it is a thousand percent William Schrader. So thank you guys so much for tuning in to Carol's story. I think, of all things, it's important to remember who she was in her nine short years of life. She was well loved, a good student, a good kid, she loved reading, she always said her prayers, and unfortunately her life was taken while she was at a church saying her prayers. So that is how Carol should be remembered for who she was, not how her life was taken. And I'm so glad that her sister Kay has some answers as to who is responsible and what happened, so hopefully she can start trying to piece everything back together and start to heal a lilt a little bit, and hopefully, although her parents have passed on. They are also at peace knowing that the person that did this to their. Daughter is not able to harm anybody else. Thank you guys so much for listening to Carol Ann Doherty's story. Like I said, if you want a little more in depth coverage and different episodic details about it, I'm going to link that podcast in the show notes below for you guys. Again, it is called The Coldest Murder, so be sure. To check that out. I actually have to go finish myself home only on episode three, so I'm going to be tuning into that today while. I decorate for Christmas. I hope you guys have a wonderful weekend ahead, and I will see you next week for a brand new Unsolved case. Bye.