Cinda Pallett & Charlotte Kinsey

All witnesses, purchas of interest, and suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Warning. This episode contains graphic crime scene detail as well as talk of sexual assault. It may be sensitive for some listeners. Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now on true crime, and then together we are going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys, welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We are going to go ahead and get into right now in true crime, the trial against Richard Allen, the Delphi double murder suspect. It's set to begin on Monday. Jury selection is going to be happening Monday, and it is going to go from there. This has been a long awaited trial because, as we know, the case was cold for many, many years. The double murder of Abby Williams and Libby Jerman happened in February of twenty seventeen. Richard Allen was not arrested and charged with the murders until October of twenty twenty two, and now we're in October of twenty twenty four and he's finally going to be facing trials, So I will be keeping you guys updated on that next week, probably right now at True Crime. And it's going to be an interesting one. I think it's going to be a lot. I think we're going to learn a lot because law enforcement never released the cause of death for the girls officially, so we're going to learn a lot of new information. I believe in all the evidence and all that comes out during the trial, So this one is going to be very interesting. But I do, in my opinion, think that Richard Allen is the right guy, and I do believe that if the evidence is presented, the jury is going to find him guilty. But we'll see how everything plays out. I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that one, all right. Next thing, I had given you guys kind of a rundown of what was going on with the Donna Adal trial. It's looking like we're not going to have a trial anytime soon. They pretty much told her that all of the council that she was trying to have represent her is not going to be allowed to represent her, so she's going to have to go a whole new route. So I'm thinking, personally, we're looking into next year for trial. Twenty twenty five is going to be a busy year, so it seems, but Donna is going to remain in prison until then. And I'm recording this on the ninth October ninth, and this would have been Dan Markel's fifty second birthday, So I do want to recognize that because at the end of the day, this is about Dan Markel and his life and what he left behind his two sons, and we are still waiting to get full justice for Dan. So I will continue to keep you guys updated on the Donna of it all, but it is not looking like we are going to be having a trial anytime soon. Okay, next thing, I want to talk. About Colby Ryan, who is Lori Valo's son, her oldest son. Had a phone call with his mother and this is the first time they have talked in four years. And this girl is still. The most delusional human I think I've ever met, so Lorii Valo. She's fifty one years old now, she still. Sticks to all of the bullshit that she thinks happened with JJ and Tylee in her head. I truly think she's delusional enough to think that what she is saying is true, So just some highlights. She basically said that Tiley was upset because they moved to Idaho, which I would be too. Why did you move to Idaho? There was no reason for you to take your family away from everything they knew and. Move into Idaho. So she said that TILEI was essentially mad that they moved to Io and that Tylee killed JJ in frustration. And she's quoted as to saying, what if Tylie was holding JJ down and trying to get him not to scream and be loud in the apartment. What if she held him down too long and realized afterward which she had done. Then she went on to say, when I came in on that scene and they were gone, I thought Tyley did it to get back at me. I thought it was all my fault. I thought she was mad at me, and that's what happened. Then she said, I didn't want anyone to know what Tyley had done to JJ. I wanted to continue to protect Tylie as her mother who has been trying to protect her for her whole life. And then she. Said when she found the children were deceased, she ran out and somebody else did something with their bodies. So she's saying that Tyler killed JJ and then Tyly harmed herself. She said, I wasn't aware of what happened to them after I left the scene. Their spirits were gone from their bodies. They were already in heaven, which the timeline does not match up with the details. I mean, obviously she's a liar. We do not believe a word she says. Tyler would never hurt her brother. That is bullshit. And we know for a fact that Tylie died before JJ, two whole weeks before JJ, So lies, actual freaking lies. Then this bitch, pardon my language, has the audacity, the whole nerve in her body to say that the children have visited her after their deaths, and Tylee told her quote, I'm sorry, mom for being such a brat end quote. Then she said that the reason. That Tylie and JJ visited her was to tell her that it wasn't her fault because she was blaming herself one hundred percent. You should be blaming yourself one hundred percent because you are responsible for their deaths. What the actual heck? And Colby, God bless Colby. I cannot imagine being on the other end of a phone call with this woman and having her tell me all these things about my siblings. Basically, he said that. He does not believe her and what she is saying, and he said that she is beyond deceived, which she is. But Colby then went on to. Say that he doesn't even want to rebut her statements because there's no point to it. You're not going to change her mind, and that there's going to be no conversation there and it would have been chaos because she is so convinced of her truth and her reality. She truly believes what she truly believes. So this was on a podcast that Colby has started, and it was, like I said, the conversation was the first conversation that Colby has had with his mom since everything went down, Like this is the first time he has talked with his mother. Colby said that my sister did not kill my brother. She did, and to put it on her is so unfair. It's so unfair to Tiley. She would never do that. And we all know that this gives me Chris Watts vibes in such a big way because Chris Watts tried to blame Shenan for killing the girls and then he quote unquote snapped and then killed her obvious blatant lies. But the difference in that is, I. Truly believe that Laurie doesn't think that she has done anything wrong here. She believes in all of the Chad Day bil delusion. She believes in her own delusion, and she knows right from wrong. We're not saying she doesn't know right from wrong, but she is so delusional that she believes her own delusion. She really truly does, and it's evident that she does. She also said that she is on a mission from Jesus and she is doing her job, and that her case has been blown. Way out of proportion. And she said there is a higher knowledge for people who need to know it. People who don't need to know it, don't need to know it. It comes directly from Jesus to me. It doesn't come from any other source. It comes from Jesus Christ directly to me. I don't even have words, no words. Colby went on to tell her, I have no malice towards you. I do one hundred percent forgive you. But he went on to say that you are not going to be able to be a part of my children's lives. And you can't even be in my life because I feel like I don't even know you anymore. And a Lourie starts to cry and she tells. Him that nothing could have been done differently, and that her mission will eventually be revealed, and she said, when we get to Heaven will know and she just goes on and on and on and on and on about all of that. So if you want to listen to it, it is really really interesting, but it will make you want to fully rage out. This woman is another type of illusional And I don't even have the words, all right, last thing speaking of me being frustrated bk Idaho for the trial is officially set for August eleventh to November seventh of twenty twenty five. This is going to be a long trial. It is going to be an Ada County in Idaho. It's going to be a doozy. I can't imagine these families, what they are having to go through, what they've had to go through, what they're going through now, what they're going to be going. Through as this trial approaches. When the trial starts, it's going to be something else. And that is all that I can truly say about it. But I will continue to keep you guys updated on it because it's going to be a heck of a wild ride as it already has been, especially for the families of the four victims, and that is who we need to remember here. I'm not even. Saying his name on this podcast because he does not deserve his name being said. I'm calling it his initials b K. If you don't know, look it up. But I am just beside myself with how long it is going to take to get justice for these four and their families. It is awful, horrible. He is allegedly a sick, sick human, and the good news is he's in prison right now, and that's really, at this point all we can ask for. But I will. Continue to keep you guys updated be of lots of things happening right now and it's overwhelming, but I'm trying to stay on top of it as much as I can. I also do want to send my thoughts and prayers anyone that is in North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee that is still working on recovering from Hurricane Helene, those that have been affected by Hurricane Milton. I am recording this Wednesday midday so by the time it's Milton will have already made landfall. And it's a bad storm. Guys. It is really truly scary. So sending thoughts and prayers to all of everyone that is been affected by these horrific hurricanes that have just been forming one after another after another. I know how much devastation a hurricane can do. I've been through Hurricane Harvey, I've been through Hurricane Ike, I've been through Hurricane Barrel. I know it is not ideal, it is not easy, but sending all of the positive thoughts and prayers to all of those people that are affected at the moment and struggling. There are a lot, a lot, a lot of good, valid sites that are taking donations. The Cajun Navy is one of them that are offering your services. They are a legit one. If you do want to donate, that is probably one of the best bets. They also have an Amazon wish list on the Cajun Navy face with page that people can purchase items and they're going directly to the victims of these catastrophic events, So if you're interested, check that out. That's what I. Personally donate to myself, and they are really doing great things. So thank you guys so much. We are going to go ahead and get into today's episode. All right, guys, Today we are jumping in to the unsolved disappearance and presumed homicide case of two young girls in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. They are named Charlotte Kinsey and Cinda Palette. As always, we are going to introduce you to these two girls a little bit before I get into their story, and this one is a sad one. Just a heads up because Charlotte and Cinda were only thirteen years old when they disappeared. Charlotte June Kinsey was born on September tenth of nineteen sixty eight to her father Otis Kinsey and her mother, Peerla Peterson. She had two. Sisters, named Letitia and Lisa Kinsey. Charlotte is described as a generally happy and content girl, but she had struggled a little bit leading up to her disappearance, when she had overdosed on her mother's anxiety meds and ended up being hospitalized. The only explanation for why this had happened was that her parents were separated. Her dad had wanted her to leave Oklahoma City and moved to Canada. With him, and according to her mom, she was really sad and. Depressed about this. But overall, Charlotte was a really good kid and was always really good about communicating with her mother, calling her mom and updating her if anything plan wise had changed along the way while she was out with her friends. And that is a very important part of the story. Cinda Leanne Palette was born May thirteenth of nineteen sixty eight to her parents, John and Norma Palette. Cinda is described as an outgoing gal and also the leader amongst her friends. So these two girls were really really good friends and they did spend a lot of time together. We are now going to fast forward to September twenty sixth of nineteen eighty one and set the scene for the case that I'm going to tell you about today. The Oklahoma State Fair is a fair that still goes on to this day. The first Oklahoma State Fair was held in Oklahoma City on October fifth of nineteen o seven, a little over a month before Oklahoma became a state. The fair was located at Northwest tenth and Douglas, where Douglas High School now stands. Horse racing was one of the biggest draws, with the grandstand accommodating fifteen thousand fans. It is typically held in mid September and it runs for eleven days and now currently attracts up to one million people per year. But back in nineteen eighty one, it attracted a lot of people. It was one of the more popular events in Oa, Oklahoma City, and two of the people that had attracted were thirteen year old Cinda and Charlotte. Cinda and Charlotte both had finally turned thirteen years old and felt that they were old enough to attend the fair by themselves, and they were able to convince their parents that they were old enough to go off and attend this fair by themselves, and it was going to be their first year to do this on their own. And when you think about it, Cinda and Charlotte were very very young, and they were also very petite. Tiny girls. Charlotte was five feet tall, she had blonde, fair of faucet hair, blue eyes, and Cinda was five feet tall with dark hair and blue eyes. Both very cute, tiny. Girls thirteen years old attending this Oklahoma fair for their first time by themselves. Around five o'clock that day, Charlotte had called her mom, Parla, to tell her that she and Cinda had been offered a job. They would get paid five dollars. In an hour to help a carnival worker unload stuffed animals from a truck, and Charlotte had told her mom that there were other kids that were going to be there as well, and it was kind of a group thing. They were all offered this job, and Perla agreed as long as the girls called home around nine pm to check in. The plan for that night was for Charlotte. And Cinda to spend the night at Cinda's house after the fair, so Sinda's mom, Norma, also gave the girls the instructions, make sure you call me by nine pm. I'll pick you up and then we'll come back here so you guys can have your sleepover. And I very much believe that the girls' moms and probably the girls themselves didn't realize that this quote unquote job was off of the grounds of the fair. I think they all believed that it was all going to be occurring on the fair grounds. And it was also nineteen eighty one, so stranger danger wasn't really what it is today, and obviously things were a little bit different back then, So I don't believe that Norma and Perla had any reason to suspect that their daughters were in danger by accepting this job. And in nineteen eighty one, five dollars was a lot of money and they were thirteen, so they wanted to make a little bit of money completely understandable, and they were going to be together. There was also going to be other kids involved, So what is the worst that could happen? Right, So, the girls were last seen at the fairgrounds around five thirty pm and to this day have not been seen or heard from since. Nine PM came and went, and both girls' parents knew something was wrong, and immediately it was like nine oh three. They did not care. They reported them missing to the Oklahoma City Police. They did not mess around. They were quick to report their daughters missing because they knew something was wrong. The investigators immediately searched the Face fairgrounds, and family and friends came together to pass out flyers with Cinda and Charlotte's pictures on them, and they formed a police task force to help search for the girls to try to find any information as to where they might be. So it came out very quickly, pretty much as soon as news broke about the girls being missing. There was two boys who were. Essential eyewitnesses, and I'm talking like close up eyewitnesses because they were the two boys that were also approached to help this quote unquote carnival worker to help unload these stuffed animals. I'm going to go in. A little bit more and talk about these boys experiences, but they were able to complete a composite sketch based on what these boys said that. This gentleman looked like. He was described as a man between the ages of thirty five to fifty six, one to six three, around two hundred to two hundred and fifty pounds. He had dark hair with gray streaks, a mustache, and a gray streaked full beard. He was described as muscular, had silver wire rimmed glasses, a flimsy straw cowboy hat with a peacock feather in it, which is so important, a brown striped or plaid cowboy t shirt, a digital watch on his left wrist, and a leather embossed belt with the name Joseph that was tooled inside of it. He also had a yellow badge, which was the badge of the carnival workers. He drove a nineteen eighty nineteen eighty one Pontiac Grand Prix that had a half final roof and South Dakota license plates, along with a lot of papers that were scattered on the dashboard. Now, like I said, this description comes from these two boys who were also approached like I said, in regards to making five dollars an hour to help the spare worker unload stuffed animals. They claimed that they were in the back seat of this car with Cinda and Charlotte and were taken off of I forty. To see this toy truck. They also said. That they stopped along the way because the guy who was driving them said that they were going to need work gloves, so they stopped at a TGNY store and the two boys stayed outside while the girls went inside with this mysterious man. And the man came. Out with the two girls, but he didn't buy any work gloves, but he did buy two rolls of duct tape. Suspicious, yes, And at one point the boys even. Said that they had thought about the fact. That, like maybe this guy was trying to connect them, which, holy moly, wise beyond their ears. They knew what was going on and I can't even imagine what these poor kids felt. They were all young, very young teenagers. They had no idea what was happening, and your brain never wants to go to worst case scenario that something better is going to happen. But it only makes sense that they did kind of have these doubts and these feelings about what was actually happening. So when they got to this destination that they were going to find the truck, there was no truck and the boys were essentially told to wait there while the man and the two girls, Cinda and Charlotte, went to check on the truck. The man gave them ten. Dollars and the car drove away with Cinda and Charlotte and they never returned. Now, the boys coming forward was so huge for this case, and they were also very young at the time. I think they were twelve and thirteen years old as well, and I know that it probably scared them half to death once the girls went missing, and I think it took a great amount of bravery for them to come forward and tell what they knew. They were also victims in this. It's really sad how close they were to also being abducted. But I do not think that they were the intended targets. But without them coming forward and saying what they know, giving this description, this case wouldn't be as far along today as it is. And we're going to get into that in a little bit. So I do want to take a minute to acknowledge them, Lance and Brian. They are the heroes of the story, and without them, there's not really a whole lot of story to tell. So I'm sure they were scared. I'm sure they regretted even getting in the car in the first place, but they came forward and they gave this description, and I have no doubt in my mind that the reason that we know what we know in this story is because of those boys. So somewhere along the way during the investigation, the yellow badge was found and it had the name of a carnival worker on it, and this person's name was David Cory. He also kind of sort of matched the composite sketch that the boys had come up with and had been released. So David Corey was located and he was arrested, and they had Lance and Brian come in for a photo lineup, and the boys couldn't identify him because although he kind of looked similar, he was three inches shorter than the kidnapper. And he also had an alibi of being in Dallas, Texas for the day that the girls went missing. So David Corey was a worker at the state Fair, but when he got there, something or another pissed him off and he threw his badge and went to Texas because he didn't want to be there. He didn't want to work. I don't know what made him mad, but something made him mad. So him throwing his badge pretty much set up this trajectory of him being essentially accused of this double kidnapping of the girls. But his alibi was proven to be true and he was released. So the case pretty much goes cold from there until September of nineteen eighty four, where we're introduced to still to this day, the prime suspect in this case and in my opinion, probably the guilty party. Everything is going to line up. We'll talk about it. But it is a gentleman suspected serial killer named Royal Russell Long. And I don't know what it is about serial killers and their three names, but Royal Russell Long, I'm going to try to call him Royal Russell Long throughout this whole podcast, but he is suspected of operating in Wyoming, Colorado, Missouri, and you guessed it, Oklahoma. He would always kidnap girls in pairs allegedly, So in nineteen eighty four it came to law enforcement's attention that this man, Royal Russell Long, was in prison because he allegedly had kidnapped two girls, and he ended up pleading guilty to two counts of kidnapping for the purpose of committing in decent liberties with a minor and ended up being sentenced to two life terms in prison for abducting Sharon bald Eagle and another teenage girl. So the second teenage girl was able to escape and Sharon still to this day, has never been seen again. So Sharon bald Eagle and this friend had ran away from Hot Spring, South Dakota in September of nineteen eighty four. They ended up being picked. Up by Royal Russell Long, who had previously done some work as a trucker, and he drove them to his residence in Evansville, Wyoming, and ended up holding the girls there at gunpoint after they entered the home. Now Sharon bald Eagle's friend managed to free herself and of course reported the abduction. They were both subjected to physical abuse and there was some sexual assault that occurred. Once police arrived at the home, he was not there, Sharon wasn't there, and then ended up being apprehended one week later, and he said that he had dropped Sharon off in Cheyenne, Wyoming and he didn't know. If she was alive or not. So obviously we see a pattern. He picked these two girls up, one of them ends up missing quote unquote, while the one was able to get away and the one that was able to get away again, brave, brave, brave girl for coming forward and basically helping break this case. Because this man is a serial predator. He is a serial kidnapper and allegedly a serial killer. There are some other girls that Royal Russell Long is connected to. One of them is a woman named Deborah ray Meyer, and she was from Montana but was visiting family in Rawlins, Wyoming when she went missing. She was last seen leaving a family member's residence on August fourth of nineteen seventy four. She was planning to walk to a local movie theater but never arrived and has not been seen or heard from since. There are three other people that are connected potentially to Royal Russell Long, and that is a woman named Carlene Brown and her nineteen year old friend, Christie Ann Gross. They disappeared from the Rawlins Fairgrounds on July fourth, and there was also a ten year old named Jayleen Banker who disappeared from the fairgrounds on August twenty third, So this is a pattern. Jay Lene's body was found in a field on April twenty fourth of nineteen seventy five, around eight months after her disappearance. Christie's body was found in Sinclair, Wyoming in nineteen eighty three, nine years after her disappearance, and Carlene and Deborah both have never been located. Royal Russell Long is a suspect in all of those cases, and they all have striking similarities. They're all young, a couple of them disappeared in pairs, and they all kind of happened in the same area, and a lot of these happened way before Cinda and Charlotte were abducted in nineteen eighty one. So this pattern of kidnapping girls and pairs very much matches up with what happened with Cinda and Charlotte. Now, Royal Russell Long even had a history of sexually molesting his own daughter from ages four to fifteen. Royal was a creep through and through. That's all we're going to say. Another striking similarity is his appearance versus the composite sketch that was drawn up. It is eerily similar. It looks like they took a picture of Royal Russell Long and drew the composite sketch from that picture. That is how similar it is. I'm going to post both of those on my Instagram and Facebook pages so you can see for yourself. But it was so similar that even Royal's ex wife contacted the authorities when she initially. Saw the sketch. He would also have been about forty six years old at the time of Charlotte and Cinda's kidnapping, which also lines up with a description given so Royal Russell Long was a truck driver. He had actually arrived in Oklahoma City a day before the girls vanished. He claimed that he was at the fair and was even identified by the two boys. They said that is for sure him, but he of course denied any involvement They also had on record that he had rented a Grand Prix in nineteen eighty one. There was also a long hair that was. Found in his Wyoming home that they thought possibly could be linked to Cinda, but DNA technology wasn't what it is now and the test came back inconclusive. There was also some blood stains that they found in the Grand Prix. The test on those also came back inconclusive. But Cinda and Charlotte's families believe that Royal Russell Long was the guy who abducted and likely murdered their daughters, although the remains have never been found. So in the midst of all this, they end up extraditing Royal Russell Long back to Oklahoma, and the task force that was put in charge of Cinda and Charlotte's disappearance began to build their case against him. During their investigation, there was. A fellow inmate in the Wyoming penitentiary that testified that while in prison, Royal Russell Long had been watching coverage on the case and said, quote, if you cut the bodies up small enough and stick them in a rat hole, they'll never be found end quote. Investigators also had learned that while serving time in a California prison, that Royal Russell Long had learned a trade of being a meat cutter also very interesting. And his own daughter even. Came forth to help the case and testify against him. And this is a quote from Ray Elliott, who is a retired DA and judge and one of the main people that was on this task force. She testified that there would be multiple times where they'd be on these cross country road trips and he would see young girls give her money to go play the pinball machine or buy a soda, and he would use stuffed animals to lure those girls to the truck. When she would come back, the girls would be gone. End quote. Another quote we were able to show, and in my opinion, did show he did this multiple times and perhaps killed as many as twenty or more young girls. We believe then and I believe today, we had the right man. End quote. This case very much seemed to be strong, solid facts, insurmountable evidence, and convincing testimony. His daughter even said that at one point he had mentioned that he would never be attracted to anybody who was older than a teenager. Ew he is gross, gross, gross, But unfortunately, once the trial commenced. The case was thrown out when a motion to dismiss was made by the defense, which, what the heck, there's so much evidence in this case although there's no physical evidence. How many different witnesses do you have to have that say that this thing happened to believe that Royal Russell Long was in fact involved. Ray Elliott said that that night was a sleepless night, and he remembers that when the judge came back, he said that the prosecution picked him green, basically meaning that the prosecution filed the case before they had enough evidence. Now, Royal Russell Long, of course, was still going to remain in prison because he had been charged with Sharon bald Eagle and this other girl's kidnapping. So the day after the case was dismissed, Royal Russell Long was let out of the courtroom in handcuffs and he leaned over and whispered to the families, basically saying, only I know where the bodies are and I'm not talking, which is such a sick way to manipulate the families. So, although the case was dismissed, ray Elliott knew very much that he had the right guy and really thought that if the case did go to jury that he would have been convicted. He says he doesn't believe that this is a cold case because they do know who did it, but they don't know where the girl's remains are, and still to this day, the girl's remains have not been found. So I believe Royal Russell Long is responsible. There's insurmountable evidence that Royal Russell Long is responsible, but. They still do not have the girl's bodies. So Royal Russell Long ended up dying of a heart attack in November of nineteen ninety three while serving time in the Wyoming State Penitentiary. And I know that Hell got a little warmer that day when he died of that heart attack. Right, Elliott is now retired, but he still feels the need to find the girl's remains. He feels that he owes it to the families of Cinda and Charlotte. He does personally believe that they are within fifty five miles or less of the Oklahoma City Courthouse based on the different evidence that they have and what they have been able to prove. But like I said, the. Bodies still to this day have not been found. So what is it going to take to find the girls. It's going to take either somebody stumbling upon these remains, which it might sound like Royal Russell Long concealed them enough that they are not going to be found, or it's going to take somebody that knows something to come forward and say what they know. Royal Russell Long is obviously a predator. He did a lot of bad things in his life. He is definitely suspected of a lot of kidnappings and murders. A lot of them have not been found. Some of them have been, although they haven't officially been one hundred percent tied to him because they do not have enough sufficient evidence to do so. But there is so many similarities between all of these cases that I think they all have to be related. And he obviously was a predator. The composite sketch that the boys were able to come up with is a dead ringer down to the peacock feather in the hat for Royal Russell Long. When you see the photos, you are going to be shook to your core by how similar the two pictures are. It is insane. Royal Russell Long's own daughter even came forward and talked about the abuse that she injured, and all of the different times that she would be with her dad and he would try to lure kids with stuffed animals. He had a pattern. This is what he did. This was his mo and he was a predator through and through. And all I know is that if he hadn't been locked up for Sharon bald Eagles kidnapping along with her friends kidnapping, he would have been out there all of. That time doing more and more harm to girls. And he is a sick man, and I am glad that he was never able to harm anyone else, but that still doesn't change the fact that Cinda and Charlotte have never been found. Now there is age progress photos of Cinda and Charlotte in the event that they are still out there, although everyone does seem to believe that they were murdered by Royal Russell Long, I will share those photos. They are, like I said, out there. There's a photo or two from the actual Oklahoma State Fair that day of Cinda and Charlotte their last known photo, and it's chilling to see it because you realize that they are about to have their lives taken from them, and it is really sad because they were only thirteen years old. They were trying to be independent and go to the State Fair by themselves, and they would have been okay if it wasn't for Royal Russell Long being at the fair that day and coming across the girls and being a creep. And I also think him using. Lance and Brian to kind of make the girls feel a little more comfortable, like there's going to be four of you, you should come help me. I think that gave the girls a little bit of sense of security as well, that the boys were going to. Be there, and that's just a tactic that he. Used to get them to comply and go along with his plan, and unfortunately it worked. So that is the story of Cinda and Charlotte to thirteen year old girls who were just going to the fair to have a day of fun, and their lives and their families' lives were changed forever on that day. I do remain hopeful that Cinda and Charlotte's remains will be found one day. I think their evidence is there that Royal Russell Long is the one that did this, but that doesn't change the fact that the girls still need to be found so their families can have official closure, because it has to be the worst to not know where your loved one is, what they endured, where they are, and at the end of the day, what matters is that they find them and they're able to finally have some resolution in what happened to their daughters, because I know the families have more likely than not struggled over the years trying to come to terms with their reality and what happened. This happened in nineteen eighty one. It's been a heck of a long time, but that time doesn't really take away the pain. It's still with you day to day. The not knowing has got to be the worst part. So thank you guys so much for listening to Cinda and Charlotte's story. I think it's an important one to tell, and I'm going to be sharing all of those different photos, like I said, on my Instagram and Facebook pages, so make sure you're following me over there. If there are any updates to this case, I will be sure to bring them to you. I sure hope we do have some updates coming on this one, very very soon, because it is just a matter of time in my opinion, that they will hopefully find these girls. So Thank you for listening and tuning in. Share this episode with somebody, especially if you know people in the Oklahoma City area that we're living there in nineteen eighty one, they might know something that they don't even realize that they know. So I appreciate each and every one of you. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast. If you're not subscribed already, leave me a review on Apple or Spotify. That really helps me get the podcast out to other people in the true crime world, and one of those people might be able to help solve one of these episodes stories that I've done. Thank you guys, have a great weekend, and I will see you next week for a brand new unsolved case. Bye.