Debra Jackson

Warning. This episode contains graphic crime scene detail as well as talk of sexual assault. It may be sensitive for some listeners. Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now and true crime, and then together we are going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie starting off. After I release the Quiet Onset episode, I d announced that they had a green light for a fifth episode that is going to be coming out in April, so stay tuned for that. Also, I am so angry at myself for failing to mention in my Quiet on set chat that Brian Peck, who is the accused and convicted sex offender, he had a house party and like some of the kids from the show that he was on were there, and one of them said that his garage had been turned into like this big like memoriam for Planet of the Apes, which is really weird. And then there was also another area in the house where he had like this painting of a clown and one of the kids was just like, what's going on with this painting of this clown? And he shared that he was pen pals with clown creepy serial killer John Wayne Gacy, and John Wayne Gacy gave him that painting and they like exchanged letters. Can you even imagine what was in those letters? Like I want to see the letters. And I was so mad at myself after I recorded it yesterday. I didn't even think about it until after the fact that I failed to mention that, like that is the true crime connection. Truly, Holy moly. Anyways, I just wanted to bring that up because it very much bothers me that Brian Peck had a pen power relationship with John Wayne Gacy and he was allowed to work with children, and then after he was convicted of sexual assault of a child, he was allowed to work on a kid's show again, Like what is going on? I just have no words, So I will be sure to keep you guys updated on any more that comes out. Any more people that speak out. I do feel like this is it, Like this is what we've been waiting for, and I cannot wait to hopefully see all of these people truly pay for what they did, because none of these people are really paying for it. They went to jail for a very short period of time. They've been labeled a sex offender. And that's it, and that really bothers me to my core, but I will continue to keep you guys updated. Moving along to something else that really brings the pop culture and true crime sides of my life together is the raid on Ditty's home or the raids on his different homes. So I am going to direct you guys to one of my favorite podcast casts that is not true crime. It is pure pop culture. And they did a episode where they read through the Ditty court docs and discussed it because the court docks are long and there's a lot involved with them, but they did the dirty work for us and they looked through them, read through them, and they chatted about it. So go to their podcast. Listen to every single one of their episodes because it is beyond fascinating, But listen to the Ditty court doc episode because it explains everything that you need to know. And as a fan of this podcast, beyond the blinds, it has been literal years of just sitting and wait waiting for the day to come that people are going to be held responsible for their actions. And I feel like a lot of people are blindsided by this whole didty thing. But if you've been paying attention. You're not blindsided at all, Like you know exactly what has been going on, and it's literally just like you're waiting for the next shoe to drop, and it's finally happening. So go check out Beyond the Blinds. Check out that episode. They explain everything in great detail. All right, we are going to switch gears. Elc Murda, he is due to be sentenced on Monday in his financial crimes. But of course, because he's Elec Murda, he lied on his polygraph test and would not tell them where more than six million dollars that he stole ended up and whether or not another attorney helped him steal from clients at his law firm. So basically, the prosecutors want to have a judge revoke their end of the plea deal with him on theft and other charges and just go ahead and order him the maximum of over one hundred years in prison, which, like, let's be real, he's not going anywhere at any time, like at any point soon, Like it's just not going to happen. He's already in life in prison without parole for murdering his wife and his son. He is literally not going anywhere, but an interesting little tidbit, nonetheless, so I will continue to keep you guys updated. And of course he lied on the polygraph. Like this guy has never told the truth ever, not once, never, this whole time. He's been lying since the very start. In other news, Murdaw news kind of sort of, Becky Hill, the call Itton County Clerk of Court, has resigned, effective immediately, and she said that her resignation has nothing to do with the different things that were involved during the murder trial, her alleged jury tampering, all of that. But I just feel like things are happening, Things are going to be happening sooner rather than later. And that's it on Becky Hill. Okay, last thing I want to talk about. I want to talk about Riley Strain because things are kind of popping off right now. So his family had obviously the initial autopsy done. The report hasn't officially been released yet, but it's saying preliminary that no foul play is suspected. However, his family decided to get a second autopsy done on him, and Riley was found with no pants on, no boots on. He had cowboy boots on because he was in Nashville, and he was a tourist, like obviously, and he didn't have his wallet, which I think is a really really interesting thing because his credit card was found kind of near the area as well, and you obviously would have to take the boots off to get the pants off. And another little tidbit of information that I think, I guess it's coming out with the second autopsy is that there was no water found in his lungs, which obviously would mean that he either had what they call a dry drowning, which is a thing but it is very very rare, or that he was dead before he was in the water. I don't want to say placed into the water, because they are not saying any foul play was involved. But I am going to continue to keep you guys updated on this. I really don't know like where things are going. Obviously, it's going to take a little bit of time to get the toxic tocology reports back, but I definitely think it's worth exploring and we have to talk about it. If the family has concerns, then we have concerns. So I will continue to keep you guys updated on that, but we are going to go ahead and get started with today's episode. Okay, guys, I had hinted about doing this episode in my last episode when I covered Cherry and Jarvis. I am going to cover another Dough Jane Doe ca. This gal was known as Orange Socks Dough. We will get into that in a little bit, but we are going to be talking about the case of a woman named Deborah Jackson. She was a Jane Doe for forty years and her case does have some huge similarities to that of Sherry Ann Jarvis, so we are going to talk about that first. We're going to talk a little bit about Deborah. There isn't a lot of background information on Deborah, which I believe is why she was a Jane Doe for so long, but we are going to jump right into Deborah's story. Deborah Luise Jackson was born on September twenty third of nineteen fifty six in Harris County, Texas. Like I said, I really don't have a lot of information in regards to Deborah's family or her upbringing, but she did have a sister and that is later going to help her be identified and figure out who this Jane Doe is. And she also at some point used a couple of different surnames, and those surnames were Moon and Larned. She did go to school locally and had worked at the Ramata Inn that was located in Amarillo, Texas, and she also worked at Burmont, which was an assisted living facility in azl, Texas in nineteen seventy eight. But there's really not a whole lot more that is known about her. So her murder was believed to have taken place on October thirtieth or October thirty first of nineteen seventy nine, when Debbor was only twenty three years old. She was found in a colvert on I thirty five in Georgetown, Texas. She was found naked except for a pair of orange socks, which therefore earned her the title of Orange Socks Doe, and she was known as Orange Socks Dough until they figured out who she was forty years down the road. She had been strangled, was believed to have only been killed hours before her body was discovered. There was a large amount of bruising around her neck, and there was also a lot of other bruises on her body, and these bruises were believed to had come from her body being dropped from the overpass after being dragged through a patch of grass. There was also some bloodstains that were present at the scene, and investigators did kind of think that this crime could have been related to some of the other murders that had happened along Highway thirty five in Travis County. And I think it's really interesting that they thought that her body had been dropped over the overpass. Just in their investigation they were able to figure this out. So whoever did this horrific murder is not just a horrific human, but like has zero regard for human life because they dropped her body off of an overpass and she landed in the culvert off of the highway. So Deborah's legs were unshaven and she had insect bites on her legs. She had long toenails, her fingernails had been painted, she had a scar underneath her chin, and they described her ear lobes as very unique. And despite that she had all of these other injuries, she didn't have any broken bones. And she had a condition called salpengitis which resulted from gonorrhea, and the salpingitis is basically an infection that causes inflammation in the fallopian tubes. They described her as having ten inch brown hair with a reddish tint, and she had hazel eyes. They estimated her age to be between the ages of fifteen and thirty. She was approximately five eight to five ten, and they said she weighed approximately between one hundred and forty and one hundred and sixty pounds. They did say that two of her teeth were missing, but over all the others were pretty well maintained, but they did show signs of little to no dental treatment. Her ears were pierced. She had a silver ring that was on her hand that had a abalony or a mother of pearl stone in it, and there was also a towel that was found at the scene, and investigators believed that this was used kind of as a makeshift sanitary napkin. So Deborah, who was Orange sockstove for forty years. They did not know who this person was, and they obviously came up with the conclusion that she was probably homeless, had maybe run away from home and was just kind of living going state to state to state kind of thing, and she had obviously been through it. She had a pretty rough time, just from the way that her appearance was, and she was using kind of makeshift towels as sanitary napkins. So definitely, whatever this girl was going through, she was definitely going through something. There was also a matchbook that was found at the scene, and the matchbook had the name of a Henrietta, Oklahoma hotel on it, So this kind of further led investigators to theorize that she was maybe a hitchhiker or she was a drifter, and they ended up going back and searching the hotels records, but they didn't discover any possible leads regarding who this person potentially could be. So from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty two, nothing much happens with figuring out who the identity of this person is. But then in nineteen eighty two, suspected alleged potential one hundred percent possible serial killer Henry Lee Lucas confessed to murdering this Orange Sox dough. There wasn't any physical evidence that tied him back to prove that he was involved in that case in anyway, but he said that he had met this girl in Oklahoma, they ended up having sex and then they were driving going somewhere and then he wanted to have sex again, and she wasn't into it and attempted to get out of the car, and then he said that he killed her and then sexually assaulted her and violated her corpse, and then he said he drove her body to Georgetown, and he said that her name was either Joni or it was Judy, And they actually ended up bringing him to the location where Deborah's body was found, and he then demonstrated how he threw her off of the overpass and over the guardrail. Now, this has been a heavily disputed claim because at the time that Orange Socks Dow Deborah Jackson was allegedly murdered, Henry Lee Lucas is reported to be working in Florida. They have actual time cards that prove that he was working in Florida at the time of this murder, and this murder occurred in Texas, so there's no way that he can be in two places at once. And when Henry was giving his confession, he definitely contradicted himself. And then his defense team even came forward and said that he had been shown photos of the crime scene and the crime scene location prior to going to the crime scene and they did a little test and they said that in order for him to have committed this crime, he would have had to traveled from Florida to Oklahoma, then to Texas, then back to Florida, and that he would have had to have driven an average of seventy miles per hour without stopping, without taking any breaks, which just really isn't that, really isn't possible for him to have done that. Now, Henry Lee Lucas is a really, really interesting guy. He confessed to a law a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of murders, and he ended up getting convicted and sentenced to death row for the murder of Deborah Jackson aka Orange Socks Doe. At this point, we do not know her as Deborah, We know her as Orange Socks Doe. So after that happened, he recanted his confession after he was convicted in nineteen eighty four. So George W. Bush, who was the Texas governor at the time, also had his doubts about Henry Lee Lucas's guilt in reference to Orange Socks Dow, so he went ahead and commuted his death sentence to life in prison. And despite all of the deaths that he confessed to, which was as many as three thousand people. That is a lot of people. He recanted all of those and said the only murder that he had actually committed was that of his mother, who was named Viola. If you guys don't know about Henry Lee Lucas, I highly suggest you go down the rabbit hole, because I went down the rabbit hole and I came to the conclusion that he probably killed a heck of a lot more people than just his mother. But I also came to the conclusion that his mother a million percent deserved it because she was a horrific human. She was horrific, And when you get into the nature versus nurture of it all, if you look at how Henry Lee Lucas was raised, it is not even shocking for a second that he turned in to be a deranged, psychopathic serial killer. Holy Moly, his mother was an awful, awful human. So he ended up getting just life in prison. He ended up dying in prison, and still they didn't know who this one was. So in two thousand and one, there was a missing woman's picture that came out and it kind of resembled this kind of sketch that they had completed of this Orange Sox Doe, but they did the DNA testing and it did not match. There was another possible rumor that Orange Socks Doe was a woman who had disappeared in the nineteen seventies that was abused by her boyfriend. And there was also some speculation that she was a woman named Martha Morrison. She is a seventeen year old girl who went missing in nineteen seventy four and she was a Jane Doe for many, many years. She disappeared from Portland, Oregon. She was also a Jane Doe for forty years, and they eventually were able to identify these remains as those of Martha Morrison. And it's just so interesting that there's so many Jane Does out here. These are three people that were Jane Does for forty years before they were identified. It is, ever, ever, ever too late. So the Orange Sox dough case was featured on America's Most Wanted and they had a anonymous caller that called in and said that they saw Orange Socks hitchhiking on the day October thirtieth, October thirty first of this murder, But that really didn't generate any new information just that they had seen this person wearing orange sox hitch hiking. And then in twenty sixteen, is a thirty seventh anniversary of finding Orange Sox Dough, they came up with some new sketches of her and they were released by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. At this point they said that they were going to be examining the ring that orange Socks Dough had on and they were going to be running some tests to identify where the socks were made. And it's amazing that, you know, back when she was found nineteen seventy nine, all of this new advancing technology doesn't exist. So it's really cool to see how so many years later they can go back, get that evidence that has been being held for such a long time, and do all these new examinations on it, try to figure out where the socks came from, and you know, get little bits of DNA. It is all so interesting to me. So in twenty nineteen they announced that the DNA from her socks contained the profiles of two or more males, so that is a big hint, of course, and they were also able to get some DNA from her fingernails, so This is huge. This is a huge step in trying to identify who this person is. So finally, in twenty nineteen, Orange Socks Doe was identified as a woman named Deborah Jackson. And this happened when the DNA Dough Project identified a potential cousin in to this unknown victim. Now, I'm going to talk a little bit about the DNA Dough Project because they are doing amazing work to help put a name and a face back to these unidentified victims. So, the DNA Dough Project is an American nonprofit volunteer organization form to identify unidentified deceased persons using forensic genealogy. Volunteers identify victims of automobile accidents, homicide, and unusual circumstances, and persons who committed suicide under an alias. This group was formed in twenty seventeen by Colleen Fitzpatrick and Margaret Press. So they have been at crime con and they really do amazing work. It is so interesting to me to kind of see how they're able to get DNA from people and they're able to connect it to these different doughs that they have in their network, and it is so so so interesting, so I'm going to talk a little bit about the procedure that they use, and this is the procedure that they use to identify the different DNA and connect it to a potential dough. So each genetic genealogy case at the DNA dough project is generally conducted by using the following steps. Of course, there's acceptance of a case by law enforcement, there's extraction of the DNA sample, fundraising for the DNA sequencing. The stuff is in free so there is a monetary value involved, sequencing of the DNA sample, the bioinformatics that translates the DNA sequencing into digital data that is compatible with the ged match, and then uploading the DNA file to ged match, and then the genealogical analysis using ed match and other tools. Then there's tentative identification of the dough and then law enforcement will verify the identity and they typically use fingerprints or a DNA sample provided by an immediate relative. So I did my genealogy through ancestry, and I did that a couple of years ago, and I was able to submit that to ged match. So if there's ever a unidentified dough out there and they're trying to solve it. They will be able to connect it through DNA. It is so fascinating, so interesting the cases that are being solved with this new technology. So back to Deborah Jackson. There was also a revised sketch that had been done of the orange Sox dough that caught the attention of Deborah Jackson's sister and members of Debra's family were able to identify her based on the different photographs they had from the morgue and different physical characteristics. Again, the sketches that were done do resemble Deborah in a way for sure, and they ended up getting DNA that was submitted by Deborah's sister and the results confirmed that she was in fact related to the dough. So how did we get here? Deborah Jackson was last seen by people that she knew around nineteen seventy seven. She was never reported missing. It seems that she was just kind of the girl that kind of like went from place to place to place. She didn't really settle down ever. She was young. She was twenty three. Law enforcement was able to kind of come up with a timeline for her. They knew that she had worked at a few of those different places. She had worked at the Ramata she had worked at that assist a living facility, and then they also believed that she worked for a real estate company in nineteen seventy nine. But where along the way did she lose her path? She became obviously somebody who was drifting, hitchhiking, going from place to place to place. Who did she come across that wanted to take her life? We really don't know. Henry Lee Lucas confessed and then he recanted. Do I think that serial killers are trustworthy sources and that they're the most honest people know? There's obviously a lot of false confessions out there, and this one, in fact, can be disproved because he has a time card clocking him into Florida at the same time that Deborah Jackson would have been murdered. So in my opinion, I think her killer is still out there. I do feel like this story and the story of Sherry Jarvis that I did on Monday, they do have a lot of striking similarities. The way that the body was found, they were both nude, There's just a lot of similarity. So I do see why their cases were kind of intertwined and thought that they might be the same person, the same perpetrator. They were also killed a year apart, pretty much exactly a year apart, so I think it's interesting to examine. They also had said that Henry Lee Lucas was a suspect in the other case, but the bitemark that was on Cherry's shoulder didn't match with Henry Lee Lucas's dental records, So I think it's interesting to try to figure out are these two cases connected. I wonder if the DNA that was found in Deborah's case and the DNA and Cherry's case are is the same. They have never come out and said that, but it would be really interesting to see if there was any correlation between the two. So that is the story of Deborah Jackson. She was twenty three years old when she was murdered, and she went unidentified biable for forty entire years. But after all that time, the DNA DOE project gave her her name back and she now is known as Deborah Jackson, and her headstone has her name on it, Deborah Louise Leonard, because that is the name that I think she went by as well. I'm going to post some pictures of Deborah. I'm going to post the composite sketches that were put out in an effort to find out who Deborah was before they figured out who she was, the reconstruction that was done, the facial reconstruction that was done, and I'm going to post a picture of the ring that was worn by Deborah, and it's all just really really interesting how all of this kind of came to a head when the DNA Doe Project picked up her case. It wasn't much longer after that until this case got solved. So that is how important these DNA companies are because they are continually working to try to solve these unsolved cases and at least give these people their identity back. There are so many of them out there, and I think it's so important that we as a public support these companies and help them fund these cases, because this stuff is not cheap, it is not free. They have to raise a lot of money to be able to take on these cases and see them through. And I think it's just so important that we're spreading awareness about these different nonprofits that are doing this kind of work so that way they can help give people their identity back, help families kind of heal and get what they need, get the resolution that they need, and be able to kind of know, like what happened to their family member, where their family member went all those years ago. It's really sad and unfortunate that Deborah never was reported missing, so they weren't even able to look through them miss person databases to find her because she was never there. So really sad, really unfortunate. But after all of this time, she finally has her identity back and now they can focus on hopefully trying to figure out who her murderer is. So that is the episode A story about Deborah Jackson aka Orange Socks Doe, and I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I really like going down these rabbit holes of these decade long Jane Doe stories because I think that they are so interesting to kind of see how everything kind of comes around full circle and we're able to figure out who these people are. And then you also have the thing about now trying to figure out who did this horrific crime, Who killed Deborah, who killed Cherry and Jarvis? We have so many unanswered questions still, but at least we don't have any unanswered questions about who this person is so I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and I will see you guys next week for a brand new episode. Bye.