North Bay Psychiatric Hospital Disappearances: Part 2
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North Bay Psychiatric Hospital Disappearances: Part 2

Right now in true crime: Alec Baldwin trial update, Karen Read trial, Lori Vallow Arizona trial update, two missing firefighters found deceased.

In part 2/2, we will discuss the remaining 3 people that went missing from North bay hospital. We will discuss the disappearance of Russell Hoffart, Dawn Carisse and Glen Wesley. Let’s talk about these three and their stories.

Sources for episode: https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/behind-the-crimes-how-did-6-patients-vanish-from-a-psychiatric-hospital/article_0f6861b8-de1c-555a-b43e-c63d171f8dda.html

https://www.northbaypolice.ca/news-releases/unsolved-missing-person-investigations/russell-hoffert

https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/Russell_Hoffert


https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/police-seeking-more-clues-in-russell-hoffert-disappearance-284832


https://www.northbaypolice.ca/news-releases/unsolved-missing-person-investigations/dawn-eva-carisse

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and Uncorked. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Primetime Crime.

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It's Kylie. We have a few little housekeeping things to go over in the

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right now in true crime world, we are first going to start off with

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the judge in the Alec Baldwin rest case has decided to uphold his involves Terry

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manslaughter charge. There's been like a few different things happening where they've tried to

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get this charge dismissed, but the judge has decided to uphold it on a

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ruling that happened on Friday, June twenty eighth, So he is set to

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stand trial in July of this year. I think this trial is going to

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be really interesting. We you know, kind of loosely talked about the Hannah

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Gutier's retrial and her role in all of this, So it's going to be

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really interesting to see what goes on in Alec Baldwin's trial. I assume he's

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probably going to take the stand on his behalf to try to explain his side

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of things, but it's going to be interesting to see what all goes down.

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I think it's going to be a very intense, interesting trial. I've

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never really had like a soft warm spot for the Baldwins, so it's going

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to be curious to see kind of how this pans out and what all transpires.

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But I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that. And

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the next thing that we are going to talk about is the Karen Reed trial.

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So on Friday. You know, they have been in deliberations trying to

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come up with a verdict. On Friday, they came back and said that

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they were deadlocked. They weren't able to come up with a unanimous decision,

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and the judge basically told them, you need to go back and try again

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try to come up with this unanimous decision. They of course went to the

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end of Friday, and they are on break for the weekend and then they

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will resume on Monday. So this one is wild. I haven't really talked

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a lot about it in major detail, but essentially, Karen Reid is on

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trial for the murder of her boyfriend who is a police officer, and the

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circumstances of his death are interesting because they went to this social gathering at one

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of the fellow police officers' homes and John O'Keeffe, who was Karen Reid's boyfriend,

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ended up dead at this event. So the prosecution is of course claiming

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that Karen Reid was upset and angry and intoxicated and she ended up running him

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over with her Lexus SUV and then left him outside in the snow to die.

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Now, the defense is very much saying that the evidence are suggesting that

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John O'Keefe was killed by potentially one of the one or several of his cop

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colleagues, and they ended up dumping his body outside and then framed Karen for

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the murder. Personally, I do not think Karen is guilty. I think

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the evidence it's very all over the place. The testimony of the law enforcement

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people who are present that night and other people who are present that night is

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all over the place. It contradicts itself left and right. I don't think

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Karen is the most likable person. I don't feel like she gives off the

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warm and fuzzies. But I don't think she's guilty. And I definitely feel

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like they are framing her, and the cop brotherhood is sticking together, and

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I don't want another innocent person to be in prison. So it's going to

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be interesting to see what comes out of this. Like I said, they're

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going to restart deliberation on Monday, and they're going to see hopefully that they

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can come up maybe hopefully with a verdict, and we are going to see

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from there. I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that.

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Another thing I want to talk about is Lorie Valley is set to stand trial

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for the attempted murder on Brandon Boudreau, her ex nephew in law, and

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the murder of her husband, Charles Fallow. They're wanting to extend that trial

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out, push it out until twenty twenty five, because they have a crap

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ton of documents to go through. There's a lot of discovery, there's a

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lot of phone call evidence and all the other technological evidence that they have to

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go through. So they are asking to push that trial out. So I

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will be sure to keep you guys updated on that we are slowly but surely

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getting there. But they understand, of course, she has the right to

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have a speedy trial, but they also have to prepare themselves for what they're

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getting into, which is a heck of a lot with all of this evidence,

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and we want to of course make sure that we know allegedly that she

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was involved in these situations. However, we want to make sure that there's

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no grounds for appeals or anything else coming up, so we want to give

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both sides time to prepare their cases. Last thing I want to talk about

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I haven't brought it up on here, but there were two firefighters who were

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missing and they are named Reagan Anderson and Chandler coup Bonder. So they used

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to date. They were in a relationship at one point in time, but

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they had been broken up recently. They dated for a few years. They

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were both firefighters. They went missing on June twenty fourth, and there had

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been a lot of people alluding to the fact, including Chandler's family, alluding

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to the fact that he was potentially in danger and in harm's way. Apparently,

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on June twenty second, cops arrested Reagan because she ended up confronting Chandler,

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I guess about the relationship, and she ended up keeping his car.

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And then that following Monday, Chandler had called his mom and said, Reagan

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is blowing up my phone, and then they went missing shortly thereafter. So,

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unfortunately, their bodies have been found alongside Reagan's vehicle in Cook County,

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which is east of Gatlinburg, Tennessee. This is really sad and tragic.

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It's obvious it was a probably not so good situation. It's gonna be interesting

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to see if this was a murder suicide. It sounds like Chandler, unfortunately,

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is the victim in this, which I feel like more and more lately,

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we have been seeing a slew and an influx of women offenders. We

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have Lori Valo, we have Corey Richans, we have Shanna Gardner, we

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now have this Reagan girl. There has been so many women offenders lately,

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and I don't understand what it is. It completely boggles my mind. I

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don't know how anybody could ever take someone else's life, but more and more

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lately, when you're hearing about it being a woman who is harming their significant

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other or harming their children, it just completely boggles my mind. But that

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was just released just now, so I will continue to keep you guys updated

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on that one. But regardless, Reagan and Chandler's families definitely need our prayers

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because they are experiencing probably the toughest day of their lives at the moment.

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But I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that one. And

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I feel like that's pretty much it for right now in True Crime, And

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we are going to go ahead and get started with Part two of the North

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Bay Psychiatric Hospital disappearances. Alrighty guys, we are jumping in to part two

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of the North Bay Psychiatric Hospital Disappearances. We are going to be covering the

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other three people that disappeared from North Bay in the following years following the first

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three disappearances. Now, one thing to really keep in mind that all of

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these patients went missing, well, they were under the care of the hospital,

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and they're all still actively missing today. No remains have ever been found,

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they've never been located. They very well could be out there living under

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an entirely different identity, but I feel like the chances of that are pretty

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slim. So the question is how did all of these people, first of

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all, manage to leave this hospital pretty easily? I think, especially when

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you're dealing with mental health, you're going to be dealing with people who don't

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feel like they need to be there or don't want to be there and will

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try to escape. But there also should be safety measures in place to prevent

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this from happening. Now. I know things are a lot different today than

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they were back then, and hopefully the hospital has learned from all of these

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mistakes, because it is a big deal. I did a story on a

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girl named tim Surdam who was at a U shelter in Saint Charles, Missouri,

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and she was there for a couple days and then ended up just completely

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disappearing, and they were okay to come and go from this home, which

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as a home for runaways. It's interesting considering she was a runaway and they

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just let her go and she has never been seen or heard from since.

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So it kind of opens up the question to what are these facilities doing to

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keep the patients that are at them safe and how many changes have been made

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over the years to adjust and make sure that things like this don't happen.

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Because if it happens once once is a lot, But if it happens six

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times, you're talking about six different people who have gone missing, six different

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families who have been impacted. And six is a lot for one place.

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One is a lot. Six is an extraordinary amount. We are going to

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go ahead and dive in to the next person that went missing, and that

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is a thirty four year old guy named Russell Howford. Now he was thirty

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four at the time of his disappearance. He was a voluntary patient at the

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hospital. It's not really known what was going on with him mentally at the

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time, if he was mentally ill, if he was suffering with some depression

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anxiety. There's not really a lot out there in regards to why he was

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there, but he ended up leaving the facility on foot. He left wearing

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only a long sleeve shirt, jeans, and running shoes. So this particular

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day, it was April seventh of two thousand, it was extremely cold in

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North Bay. It was ten degrees celsius. The windshill was at below twenty

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negative twenty degrees and it was very windy and it was snowing, So it

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was not a good type of situation to be out in this kind of cold

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weather. They, of course, the hospital reported him missing and they searched

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for him. They searched the area around the hospital, in an area off

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Highway eleven where they believed he had went because there was a passerby that saw

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somebody matching the description of Russell along the highway. But after three days of

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searching, they turned up with nothing, and law enforcement has said that they

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don't believe that there's any foul play that is suspected in Russell's disappearance. But

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nothing has ever been found again in regards to where he is gone. We

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haven't found any remains. We have no proof that he is still alive and

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with us. At the time of his disappearance. Russell had thick black or

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brown hair, brown eyes, a thin build with a darker complexion. He

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also had a scar on his abdomen. There was a article that was published

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in twenty sixteen about Russell and as of that time, police were seeking more

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information in regards to Russell's disappearance. They went to the area where Russell disappeared

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in two thousand. One of the officers that was investigating Russell's disappearance initially in

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two thousand came back to do this article in twenty sixteen and he said that

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these sightings confirmed the type of clothing that he was last seen wearing, and

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the reason people were calling to report this was because the clothing was just not

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conducive to the weather that was going on at the time, meaning he was

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not dressed for negative twenty degree weather. And then he went on to say

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that the initial officers came up right away and started searching the main roads and

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trails, and he said, the reason that he's going to call them trails

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is because that time of year, even getting around in a vehicle is tough

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and making our presence known so that if he is out here and he is

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cold, or in need that he would need to be able to walk towards

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us end quote. So they said during the initial search and investigation they used

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horns, lights and sirens to try to capture Russell's attention. There was footprints

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that they spotted near the end of the road that they were searching, but

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nothing, like I said, has come up. And then they are quoted

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as to saying not finding any sign of him at that point. There was

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an assessment made by the duty shift that we were going to organize an intensive

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search with more resources as soon as possible, which they ended up doing and

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they turned up with nothing. But they are hoping with this twenty sixteen article

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and putting the story back out there, that something will jog in someone's mind

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and someone will come forward with information. They are quoted as to saying,

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there's always some type of evidence, despite the time that has gone by.

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End quote. We did intensive interviews, and other than the sighting up here

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earlier in the evening, we received no other sightings end quote. The police

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officers that initially worked the investigation sixteen years later did go to the site where

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Russell was last seen. They invited media to also visit the location just so

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they could see what kind of area they were dealing with, and again putting

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the story out there for people to realize that this happened. Now, this

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was twenty sixteen. That's almost an additional ten years later. So if Russell

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is still out there, he would be fifty eight years old today. Keep

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in mind he was thirty four when he disappeared. A lot of time has

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passed since Russell went missing, and it is just another example of somebody who

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literally got up one day and walked off the grounds of the North Bay Psychiatric

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Hospital and vanished literally into thin air. All right, next person, we

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are going to talk about their disappearance. I find this one to be probably

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the most interesting. I had mentioned in last episode that there was a patient

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that ended up disappearing that had tried to run away multiple times, like multiple

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multiple, multiple times from the North Bay Psychiatric Hospital and then ended up officially

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running away and she is still missing to this day. So I'm going to

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talk to you about Don Carise. Her full name is don Eva Carrise.

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She was forty three at the time of her disappearance. Don's story is really

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sad. She was a patient at the North Bay Psychiatric hospital for a total

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of eighteen years before she disappeared, so she had short term memory loss and

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had some cognitive issues. She had unfortunately suffered a heart attack on Christmas Eve

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in the years prior, which ended up giving her a brain injury, and

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that brought on the short term memory loss and the cognitive deficits. She had

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children and a family, and her being placed into this psychiatric facility I can't

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imagine was easy for her because she probably woke up every day and didn't realize

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what was going on and why she was there. Her story is just really

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sad, and it just makes me want to cry because I can't imagine.

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It's kind of like fifty first dates, where you wake up every day and

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you don't know what your life is and then someone tells you, oh,

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you had a heart attack and you have brain damage, and now you can't

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see your kids every day. I can't imagine don dealing with this on a

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day to day basis. Her family did decide though, that it was best

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for her to be in a facility where they could properly supervise her and make

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sure that she was being kept safe, because her daughter said that after she

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got her brain injury. She would often repeat herself. She had a really

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hard time remembering things. And of course, in a situation like that,

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when the person that is sick doesn't realize how sick they are, it's really

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hard for the family to try to navigate that. And the resources back in

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the time that Dawn had her brain injury aren't what they are today. So

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the family thought best that they put her at a facility where she can be

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kept safe, monitored, and of course they would go visit and all of

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those things. So, like I said, Don had tried to disappear several

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times from the facility prior prior to two thousand and one, two years prior,

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she had left the hospital grounds she wanted to go see her kids.

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They were living in the Kirkland Lake area at the time, and they found

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on she was hitchhiking along Highway eleven, which was in the complete opposite direction

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of Kirkland Lake. And they said that since nineteen ninety seven, Don had

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eloped nine times from North Bay Psychiatric Hospital and she would be found later by

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hospital staff walking either on the hospital grounds or on Highway eleven. So obviously

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Don is a flight risk. We do not blame her. Her short term

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memory is causing her to be a flight risk. But let's talk about North

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Bay Psychiatric Hospitals policies and why is she let to just like wander around and

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constantly escape? Nine times? Is a heck of a lot, especially now

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the fact that we're going to be talking about Don escaped for one final time

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and has never been found. That is unacceptable. If that happened in today's

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day of age, like people would be losing their ever loving minds. At

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approximately five pm on Thursday, August ninth of two thousand and one, there

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was a time at the hospital where patients would meet in the ward. That

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down was they would meet in a common room for dinner, and the hospital

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staff noticed that Dawn was not there and they couldn't find her on the ward,

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so they again began searching the hospital grounds. They searched along Highway eleven

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and they could not find her or any trace of her. So the next

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morning they went ahead and contacted the North Bay Police Department and reported that she

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was missing. Police then conducted their investigation. They interviewed different people that worked

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at the hospital. They interviewed her family, her friends, and they let

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out into the community that she was missing, and the media began to cover

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it. There was a couple of reports from members of the community that spotted

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Dawn possibly, but they never were able to confirm these sightings and they were

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not able to locate Dawn. All reports said that Down was a very nice

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lady. She was very pleasant, even though she had a little bit of

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confusion going on, she was a very nice lady. And they do believe

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that the reason that she probably left the hospital was to go see her children,

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who at the time were still living in the Kirkland Lake area. But

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they do think that for whatever reason, she may have been traveling towards a

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town called Sudbury, and the people that had her children, whoever her children's

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guardians were, had said that they were going to be planning to move to

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Sudbury within a year or two. So Down was obviously told that, Hey,

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we're going to be moving to Sudbury, and she took that as I'm

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going to Sudbury to find my children. So, like I said, Don

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was forty three years old when she disappeared. She was wearing a short sleeved,

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long pink dress with faint white flowers as a pattern, a buttoned front

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and a drawstring that crisscrossed on the back. She was also wearing brownish red

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color toad sandal closed toad sandals. She was slender, five six, one

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hundred and fifteen pounds, short, brown hair parted in the center, with

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green eyes. I think all of these stories are really sad, but I

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think Down's is probably the worst because she did suffer from these short term memory

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deficits. She had tried to escape multiple times. She was trying to see

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her kids. That absolutely breaks my heart that she got out and she has

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never been seen since. And you would think that after nine times of trying

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to escape that there would be some more safety regulations in place at the North

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Base like your ATRA hospital for patients who were prone to elopement, But that

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didn't seem to be the case, and Down Cariese has not been seen or

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heard from sense And like I said earlier, don could be out there living

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an entirely different life as an entirely different person, not knowing who she is

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due to her short term memory loss, and that is really sad that she

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wasn't protected at a facility that her family placed her at so she could be

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safe and protected. That has to be so heartbreaking and devastating for her poor

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family and her poor children. I'm sure they were young at the time that

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don received her brain injury, and growing up in a situation like that is

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hard enough, and then knowing that she disappeared at the place that was supposed

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to be keeping her safe just really tragic and horrible all around. Last disappearance

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we're going to talk about is the disappearance in twenty ten of a man named

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Glenn Warren Neil Wesley. He was only twenty eight years old at the time

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of his disappearance. Again, I'm not really sure why Glenn was a patient

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at the North Bay Psychiatric Hospital, but regardless of that, he was granted

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a short term pass on the day of September fifteenth of twenty ten, which

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was his twenty eighth birthday, and he left the facility at one pm,

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and that is the day that he turned twenty eight years old, and he

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never returned back. The hospital staff believed that he may have been headed to

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North Bay's downtown core. He never came back later on in the day and

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they contacted the North Bay Police Service to report him missing. They of course

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searched for Glenn nothing would turn up. They interviewed all the different people that

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potentially could have come in contact with him that day, they interviewed hospital personnel,

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and all attempts to locate him have come up with negative results. Unfortunately,

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there have been some unconfirmed sightings of him in some areas around North Bay,

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but his case remains unsolved to this day. So I have to talk

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about this one because this one really bothers me. So this was twenty ten,

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that's not that long ago. I mean it is, but it's not.

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So. You have people in a psychiatric facility, whether they're involuntarily or

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voluntarily, and I just feel like there probably should be some type of regulation

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on the passes that they give these people, given the fact that they've already

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had five people disappear from the grounds of this hospital, the psychiatric hospital.

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Why are you going to grant a psychiatric patient regardless of why he's there.

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Your goal is to keep him safe, and you grant him a pass to

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go out on his birthday. So a lot of the times when you're in

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a psychiatric setting, it could be depression, it could be anxiety, you

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could be dealing with some bipolar or a plethora of other diagnoses right, and

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a lot of the times the patients are medicated for those diagnoses. When you

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tell me that someone wants to go out on a day pass for their birthday,

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their twenty eighth birthday, I'm thinking they're probably going to go out,

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and they're probably going to drink. Likely more likely than not, they're going

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to have a couple of adult beverages, and mixing adult beverages with these psych

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medicines could cause something not so great to happen. I just don'tunderstand why he

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was granted a day pass. That completely boggles my mind. I sure hope

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that they've changed their ways and they don't do things like this anymore, because

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you would think after the first five disappearances they would have learned, But unfortunately

00:26:15
they did it and in twenty ten, this happened again with Glenn. Now.

00:26:21
The hospital officially closed its doors in twenty eleven and the patients were reallocated

00:26:26
to this other like facility where it kind of is a facility that houses all

00:26:33
sorts of different patients and such. So hopefully they've changed their policies and have

00:26:37
gotten their lives together, because this is a really, really bad look.

00:26:42
The North Bay psychiatric facility was demolished in twenty thirteen, like I said in

00:26:48
the last episode, and it now just remains land. From everything I've seen,

00:26:55
Glenn is still considered missing. He would be forty two years old today.

00:26:59
He is a last scene wearing a black jacket, black shirt, black

00:27:03
pants. He has brown eyes, black hair that is short but does come

00:27:08
over his ears. He weighs approximately three hundred pounds and is six two and

00:27:15
his build is described as heavy, and he has a scar on his left

00:27:19
wrist. If you do have information in any of these cases, you are

00:27:25
asked to call the North Bay Police Service at seven oh five four nine seven

00:27:30
five five five five and select option nine to speak to a police officer.

00:27:36
Especially if you are one of my Canadian listeners, you live near North Bay,

00:27:41
you know what North bayse Psichiatric Hospital is. You might know something and

00:27:45
not even realize you know something, or you saw something and not even realize

00:27:48
it. Because I do have quite a few Canadian listeners, and I really

00:27:52
wanted to do this story because it just intrigued me so much that six people

00:27:56
over the span of multiple decades went missing from the exact same place and nobody

00:28:03
knows anything that completely blows my mind. So this epidemic of these people disappearing

00:28:11
was also brought up on another podcast called Whereabouts Unknown by a gal named Ellen

00:28:18
White. She is a former private investigator, and she went ahead and took

00:28:22
it upon herself to assemble a team which included a genealogist. She wanted to

00:28:29
get this genealogist and together they were going to dig through some of these missing

00:28:33
people from North Bay. Ellen is quoted as to have said that the people

00:28:40
that went missing are not people who are sophisticated in their thinking or had access

00:28:44
to a telephone back then without staff end quote. These are not people who

00:28:48
formulated plans to get away. These are people who slipped through the cracks end

00:28:52
quote. And I think this is so important because she is one hundred percent

00:28:57
right. These people didn't come up in their minds with oh, I'm going

00:29:00
to do this to escape from North Bay, and if they had people on

00:29:06
the outside, they could not contact those people without help from the staff.

00:29:11
So somebody that was working inside of North Bay probably knows a heck of a

00:29:15
lot more than has been brought to light now. There have been former employees

00:29:21
of North Bay who spoke about how the hospital was understaffed and that they were

00:29:26
often overwhelmed with housing patients and they had various degrees of patients in there with

00:29:33
varying mental and physical capabilities and disabilities. Now, each of these six missing

00:29:38
persons from North Bay has been uploaded to the major case management system, and

00:29:44
the majority of the six have DNA between their family or direct DNA on file,

00:29:51
so that is helpful of course, in the investigation going forward. If

00:29:55
anything were to pop up, they would be able to match that DNA and

00:29:57
confirm the identity of that person. Don Caris's oldest daughter said that her family

00:30:04
has spoken briefly with detectives over the years, but they haven't received very many

00:30:08
details or any updates, and is quoted as to saying, we would just

00:30:12
like to know what has happened and find some closure. So that is the

00:30:17
story of the six who disappeared from North Bay Psychiatric Hospital, and I do

00:30:23
feel like there's probably more to this story that we don't know yet because it

00:30:30
hasn't been properly investigated yet. I feel like a lot of these stories probably

00:30:34
slipped through the cracks, unfortunately, because either the departments didn't have time or

00:30:41
it wasn't of top priority to try to figure out what happened. But I

00:30:45
do feel like these six people all disappeared under circumstances that probably they didn't plan

00:30:55
and carry out on their own. There was probably someone on the inside that

00:31:00
was helping them, or they just weren't properly supervised. They could have been

00:31:04
short staffed, there might not have been good management. All of these things

00:31:07
are so important when you're running a hospital type facility, but especially important when

00:31:11
you're running a psychiatric type facility for sure. So that is the story of

00:31:17
North Bay. I really enjoyed researching this one and learning all of their stories,

00:31:23
learning all of their names. I'm going to be posting pictures of Russell,

00:31:29
Dawn end of Glenn to keep their faces out there, keep their names

00:31:33
out there, and hopefully it'll spark something in someone and someone will come forward

00:31:37
with some information. And again, we're just trying to raise awareness and keep

00:31:44
these stories out there because they are gone, but they are not forgotten.

00:31:48
Especially because all of these people suffer from some type of mental health trauma and

00:31:53
issue, it is of the utmost importance that they are found, they are

00:31:57
safe, and that they are able to be cared for properly, give their

00:32:00
families closure and a little peace of mind that their family member isn't wandering around

00:32:07
unsure of who they are and in need of all this mental health help.

00:32:12
So thank you guys for listening. I appreciate you guys so much. And

00:32:16
shout out to my Canadian listeners because I appreciate each and every one of you.

00:32:21
If you are in the North Bay area, please share this episode and

00:32:24
let's spread the message. Let's spread the word and I will see you guys

00:32:29
on Friday for the last installment of Summer series twenty twenty four. Dan Markel,

00:32:34
we are going to be wrapping up and then I am taking a week

00:32:37
off from podcasting because I need to give my self permission to take a week

00:32:43
off. So that is exactly what I'm doing. I'm putting it out so

00:32:46
that way I actually do it. And I will see you guys Friday,

00:32:52
and then I will see you the week after for a brand new unsolved case.

00:32:54
I hope you have a fantastic week ahead and I will see you on

00:32:58
Friday. Bye. It is solvable. It was solvable two weeks after it

00:33:10
happened. March twenty fifth, two thousand and four cross Plains, Tennessee their

00:33:15
last day question Mark. Jennifer Just twenty one, stands in the kitchen of

00:33:21
her boyfriend Joey Benton's family home, where she and her two year old daughter,

00:33:24
Adriana Wicks have been living. She has the only phone in the home

00:33:29
in her hand and is on a call with her father. Jennifer expresses how

00:33:32
the night before, she and her boyfriend's parents, Joe and Cindy Benton,

00:33:37
had been involved in a very heated argument. In fact, it was so

00:33:40
heated that Jennifer was still rattled from the night before. She moves the receiver

00:33:45
down to talk to a muffled female voice coming from behind her. She then

00:33:49
says goodbye to her father and hangs up the phone. And what happens next,

00:33:52
Well, that's what we're here to find out, isn't it. Jennifer

00:33:57
and Adriana Wicks have not been seen or heard from since March twenty fifth,

00:34:01
two thousand and four. I'm a true crime investigated podcaster living in the same

00:34:06
town where the Wicks girls went missing. Hi, I'm Jules, and I've

00:34:10
teamed up with Jennifer's sister Kasey Robinson to ask some big questions from our little

00:34:15
hushtown that we've been too afraid to ask each other over the last twenty years.

00:34:21
Where are Jennifer and Adriana Wicks? Small towns talk and guess what we're

00:34:27
listening? Missing in Hushtown is coming twenty twenty four wherever you get your podcasts.

00:34:32
The entire first season will drop in August. We'll see you then,