Summer Series 2025: Pike County Massacre: Part 11

Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five, The Roden Family Murders, also known as the Pike County Mascer. We're going to be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior, Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel, Gilly Hannah Rodin, and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right into Summer Series twenty twenty five. I lost my children to philisicide, murdered by the very person who should have been protecting them. I'm hopepoutin and this is Voices against Philiside. This podcast exposes the heartbreaking epidemic of parents killing their own children. Stories the world needs to hear. You'll hear from moms like me. We'll talk about justice, healing, and what must change, including the rowanac a fight to fix what's broken in our family court system. Their lives mattered, their voices were stolen, but ours won't be Voices against philiside. Listen share be part of the change. All right, guys, we are now jumping into Part eleven of Summer Series, the summer series that likely will never end. We are still in the wire taps of it all. But we are almost done. So we are chugging our way through the wire tabs. We are going to pick up again with those now. So the next call takes place on June thirteenth of twenty eighteen, and it is a call from Angela to George, and they talk about not saying anything on the phone. I e. What they're doing as this is being recorded, but I say something. Okay, this is real fun because I want to take to get. Real quick and then when i'm again, don't talk about nothing on your. Wait until you get home. Don't explain anything. Don't say a word about anything. Work everything you do, you got a thing. If they rest you, don't sign nothing. They don't say nothing except I'm not calling that. We don't even tell your name. If they if they hate no wallet everything I say, we think you can signs to your wallet everything nobody. I'll take it. I don't know. I love, I don't think. Do what. I don't think they're gonna rest play. I'm just telling you you work, maykay. I'm not saying don't say. A word, mom, I don't the words of all the bets the way. Don't know. But that's a that's the thing that it's times going out to all walk. So I I know that I don't, I know, I don't. You got have to pick it up and Ali and then thank you yea, and I don't want to get about anything. From a stop. I'm sorry, job. Listen, I love yeah. Wh woa. Oh helloa, whoa whoa. So at this point we can tell there is some paranoia happening, which we love for them because they deserve it a thousand percent. And it's interesting to me when George says, I don't think I'm going to be arrested, And I think it's interesting because as much as he didn't commit any of the murders, he still played an active role in this, and these wiretaps and phone calls I think really tell that story and show you his involvement in things, and his paranoia and everything with beth Anne and how he was an active figure in all of that. So it's all very interesting hearing these phone calls and hearing everything that they're staying back and forth, and Angela's demeanor and how much she's freaking out because she knows the walls are closing in. So it's very insightful okay. So our next call takes place on June fourteenth of twenty eighteen, and it is an outgoing call from Jake Wagner to RNL dispatch. And in this call he references a family emergency. You're going to listen to that one now, okay, so that one that it works. I got I got a family emergency, got at home with my low weaver or down here, I get down there. I mean go lead somewhat our back. Well, let me get in to mister smart thing. Because if you got a family emergency, need to go home, you have you always have to speak to manager or director. Randy's at church. We'll that's the guy we'll work for for any days off for anything. Okay, okay, yeah, Eric Wacker, uh uh oh, we're on my brother and I all the way down Dallas right now. I'm sorry to hear it out. There's not much better. About him. That's okay, anyway. Uh we're all the way down to Dallas right now. Lewis anyway, Uh when you get down to Dallas, yell. Of going back to Wilmington. Uh, I will anyway, I had a family emergency. I got the hair back out, and so I take the load down and that they want back to Wilmington, ordering about get a load back, but I got okay, so that when I get back Wington, I didn't take that. I can see like a day a day off early. Okay, get that, Bob O Mercy, we gotta will work with you. You definitely want emergency Merchy. Family comes first. That's the problem. Theary, Well, we'll probably keep your partner running it because so we're gonna we're back up right now too. You do home will parathing to keep him running. Well, that's that situation. My partner is my brother and family for both of them. Kay, those gonna come back to Ohio and the gout to Ohio nowaday after I mean biking slowed out, show you back. Okay, you guys will as you get the Dallas, we'll take you back. Head back. Was possible, Thank you much, thank you. So basically that has to do with their job in this trucking company. They were going to haul whatever from point A to point B, and then Jake was calling to see if him and George could get time off because they had a family emergency and they had to kind of cut out a little bit early. So that is that interaction in that exchange. We are now on June fourteenth of twenty eighteen, and this is an outgoing call from Angela to George Wagner, and this is them talking about Beth and Wagner. Another thing, your dad heard the conversation. And I'm going to say something else happened last. Night and your dad was here. Guess what happened. Well, I put in two trains of ice in. The free zirples. The little one that looked. Like said she gets the oreos in. You know, I hadn't filled it up yet, right, and your dad was one ice just to take a here for entire pop. Well, while your dad and I were watching. TV and everything, that one in there she built that little. Oil, would not put it in the freezer. Or when I went in last night that dad and I was watching new a new movie criticotus and. I went in late and I got somebody. I got thing. I could see an orange. Pop that I tasted like that nast he discussing medicine cans. Okay, I took it in there. I held you that, I said, smeltings. He's like, oh, it was exacting. I said, take a taste. He took a paste and about cute if I take it in now? Oh it out now? Wait, I can't yet lived that said, do listen to me. Here's the thing. He wouldn't even drink it. I took it in there, I poured it out at the direst of ikeuts. Down in the face. I got my ice cue, carry out and. Start the ray. There was a little fish. But when I met my mouth paste it just fine. I gotta glass of water out of the sphinx. I tasted it. I could have let your bad taste it nothing, no back cround, no bad taste. Take when they talk back. Finally wrong, I'm just contay that. There I come the moment she's get. In the sill. Wait the sun she done with take I will well she's still in that house. And she waited until light behind my back stood there. Take its pull with our shaves a case fas she was he could get hit? What point should he won't put a later? What part did he tell him about. We're doing? When I write anything, I hate God. Anyway, I feel like I'm gonna go get my down, get mocking. When I get granted here and get a little bit, I'm gonna make. Copy of everything. Okay, So also very interesting. Beth Anne is allegedly, in their opinion, spiking the ice cube tray with whatever kind of poisonous ice cubes. I don't even know. I I don't believe this honestly in their mind. I think that they think that it's happening, or they're buying into the delusion of this happening, because this is the same stuff they said Tabitha did, which I just don't think that one family is unlucky enough to come across all of these heinous women who poison their ice cubes and sexually abuse their children. I think it's just them grasping its straws, looking for a reason, at least for them to say, we're acting this way because of X, Y and Z, because they're doing this. They're doing this, they're doing this, this is why we act this way. But in my opinion, it's a bunch of bs. The next call I'm not going to play because it is really really hard to understand, and I'm just going to tell you about the context of it. So it's a recording that takes place in one of the work trucks that Jake and George used, and that's why it's so jarbled and hard to understand because it's simply just a conversation between the two of them, and they are basically just having a conversation about their different wants and wish lists of different firearms that they want. So it's just a back and forth about guns and their want and need for all of these different types of firearms and so on and so forth. Really really jarbled, really hard to understand. But obviously they're talking about guns, and that was a huge part of this case, so it makes sense why this was included. Okay, the next call that comes in is a call from George to Angela Wagner and they are talking about the photo of Jake holding a gun, which was sent to a member of the Wagner family from one of the detectives on the case, basically to get them to talk about this picture of Jake holding this gun. So we are going to listen to that call, now. Yeah, yeah, we get away. I did not. I was opening your thing and said Grannie walked fid and she h said, oh is that uh pictures God with Sindy And she said, oh, Pa, hand, that's not the hand. And that was what I say. Yes, it is no, not what she said. I was not just then, well what she said, and Granny said. I don't think so. You think that your husband's handy show up looked like a pen? And she said, yes, that's a that's going all. Right, she's got a crown. Well, Georgia, I know I don't that okay, it just wants the house single. Yeah, well I don't be better. Hopeing god they don't call her just. All right. Our next conversation takes place on June twenty sixth of twenty eighteen. It is between Jake and George Wagner, and it is one of the recording devices that is in the sleeper truck van situation, whatever it may be. And in this conversation, Jake and George are talking about Beth and their living situation. I'm only going to play a portion of it because again, it is not the greatest quality audio and it is just the Wagner brothers screaming at each other. So I want you to kind of hear that dynamic because it isn't all sunshine and roses for the Wagners. They definitely start turning on each other at this point because they're all flipping shit that they're about to all be arrested. So I'm just going to play a very short clip from that, but they're basically just arguing about Bethan and living Bethan living there and all of the things. So we're going to play that now, Okay. So the reason that this is important for the prosecution's case is because these are voice recordings of George Wagner absolutely losing his mind over Bethann, who really doesn't have anything necessarily to do with him because beth Ann is married to Jake or semi married to Jake. I don't even know what their relationship status was at this point. I think they were still legally married. But it's all very interesting to see the different dynamics and how he did he is getting over Jake's situation in Jake's business, even though yes, beth Anne was living in the house at one point in time with him and his family and his son. It's all very reminiscent of probably some of the same conversations they were having when Hannah May was around, and the way that Angela Wagner likes to skew things. We don't know, the kind of things that she was saying about Hannah to George and to Billy, and of course to Jake, because she is the master manipulator. And George very much buys into all of this, and I think Jake buys into all of it too, and Billy, I think he just goes along with it because his wife rules the roost. And that is what I'm going to die on that hill, that this whole thing started because Angela Wagner was threatened by another woman coming into her son's life. And I think it's really interesting to kind of flip the narrative and realize that, yeah, a lot of this stuff transpired the way it did because of the things that were being told to both of these brothers about Hannah May, about Tabitha, about beth Anne. Like, this is showing very much for me that history is repeating itself with all of the beth and drama. This is probably the same stuff that went on when Hannah was still living, except she was a very real threat because she did not want to be with Jake. She was over trying to work it out, and she was trying to move on with her life, and that was a threat to them because Hannah could have easily taken Sophia, and that is very much laying out the motive for murder. And I think the prosecution is doing a really really good job at showing all of this and showing how the cycle has continued even after the murders have occurred. They're focusing on their next victim, so to say, Okay, so we made it through that. We are now on day forty of trial. I know, it feels like it has been forever for me. It feels like it has been months of my life going through all of this stuff, truly because I did keep up with the trial back when it was happening, but I feel like reliving it all over again in such detail has been so interesting because I kept up with like the highlights, but going through all of it, literally eight hours a day of this different testimony and piecing it all together, it's truly given me a headache all over again dealing with these Wagner Fis family members. They are just a wacky crew for sure. So we are now at day forty. We are going to get into that now. So our next witness is a man named Jonathan Prince, and he essentially does crime scene reconstruction and he's also a blood stain pattern analysis, So he goes through very much in depth, like all of the different blood patterns and wipes and swipes and everything at all of the different crime scenes, essentially trying to lay out exactly what happened in all of the different crime scenes. The one at Chris Senior's house, he said there are motion stains called wipes and swipes, so basically he's saying that a wipe is basically pre existing blood that has motion behind it. And then he talks about a wipe stain, which is basically like what you would see from a paint brush with paint on it, essentially, And they talk about the rug in Chris Senior's home and it looked like the rug was in a different position and there was a wipe stain that was created from the rug, which goes along very much with the theory that Chris and Gary's bodies were drug through the house, which makes complete and total sense. So his role in all of this is just basically lying out the different bloodstains and all of that. They also asked him if he could determine the number of people that were likely there at Chris Senior's house and committed this crime. Against Chris Senior and Gary, and he said he can't necessarily determine how many perpetrators were there, but what happened at that scene could have been carried out by one person. And this witness was on there for a long time. There is a lot of back and forth between the prosecution and the defense, of course cross examining him. But everything that we have kind of already talked about, all of the different crime scenes, all the layouts, the footprints going through the blood, shoe prints going through the blood, all of that kind of all ties back in and we've already talked about that. So I'm not gonna overly go into all of that, but an interesting witness, to say the least, like everybody, has a role in helping prove this case against George Wagner. So I also think this witness was brought up as kind of a little bit of a palette cleanser because we've been sitting through hours and hours and hours of wire taps. But unfortunately we're not done with wire taps. We have more and we are going to get into those now. Okay, So this next call recording is from July fifth of twenty eighteen. It is between Jake and George, and they're talking about beth Ann, of course, and the kids safety, and it is one of the recording devices that was in the front of the truck. So it's very loud, it's very echoey, it's very very hard to understand. So instead of playing it, I am just going to talk through what they were saying, because it is Wagner family, a brother yelling drama, really echoey, really really hard to decipher, and I'm not going to put you through the noise just for the hell of it. So we are going to talk about that call now. So basically it is Jake and George and they are talking about the effects that beth Anne has had on the family, and of course everything is a conspiracy theory in the Wagner family's mind, and George said that beth bringing beth into the family destroyed them. George is very much the paranoid one in this whole thing and is basically saying that bringing beth Ann into the family has destroyed them, even though I beg to argue that they destroyed themselves when they killed eight people. That was before Bethann was even in the picture. But it's basically this big like yelling match back and forth, and George Wagner is super super paranoid about everything, and Jake is trying to talk him off the ledge and they just go back and forth and back and forth. So the next call is on July thirteenth of twenty eighteen, and it is a call from Angela to her mother Rita. And we are going to listen to that one now because it is a little bit more bearable ish to listen to. I'm not going to get. Hey granny Mom. There thea okay, I then hey mom, and then. I hate that we need coke. I'm trying to get a boat an attorney to go in with. But on the eighteenth one, don't long it. Absolutely do not go in. There anything with. These people are at attorney, got your pipe, and John absolutely cannot go. And you've referred me to two are pretty different ones. To be really good now that Jerry chill or come courtinat algy kid because it's so close. Yeah, I'm sure they did that all perfect. But uh, anyway, do you think well, I say not that did your bank up to you. Over there there thinking? Okay? Yeah? Do you think that? Uh? I mean, if you do criminal cases like that. I think the same. Again, I don't know, well I don't. Here's all we need. We need him to write his name Henry right, well we needed you know, all we need is money to go in that day. So it's not like you know us we're getting rid of any day. We just need him to go that say, I'm going to get him a call, okay and see because if it don't say that day, I lost two attourneys that are real good attourneys, and they you know, the definitely need two of them because if they gave us a pen at at the same time the same day, yeah, then probably trying to put in two separate rooms. And you know, there's a. Possibility that while you're there, because they think you don't have an attorney, you know, they might as well while you're here, where does that. Keep some questions or something? You know, it's hard to. Say that the tourney I thought to you said that it may be different, but usually when they want to write the same thing, they the experts have a paragraph that is that work. They not some kind of paragraph that it's like a little story like a fox jump like you said. Is fox jumps over the fence or something like that. Yeah, there's a paragraph, a little story like that, and they'll have you write the whole. Paragraph becauseposally they mean the paragraph. It's like you know, certain letters and. Stuff that they look forward for identification, and they'll have you write the whole paragraph. And then I don't know how. I just know how, len can, but I can't last time. That's that's the time of my laws, just talking about where. I get over there. But anyway, uh so, anyway, I just have a charge with this because I don't want you going in there, you know, because they here's the thing they said in the list they read or something. A party o. Uh yeah, So I'm gone and I'll get I'll give him a call. Okay, I'll get him a call. Okay, Okay. So that whole conversation, Angela Wagner is starting to lose her mind because I think she realizes the walls are closing in. They want Rita to come down for a handwriting sample for you know, proving basically that the custody documents that were allegedly notarized by Rita were falsified by Angela. It's this whole convoluted hot mess. But I think Angela is really starting to realize that the gig is almost up and she's about to spend the rest of her life or a good chunk of it in prison, and her whole family's going down with her, which I do kind of feel bad for Rita that she kind of got herself mixed up in all of this craziness. But man, I just will never have words for how wacky the Wagners truly are. So our next call is on July fifteenth, twenty eighteen, and it is between George and Angela, and we are going to play that now. And I want you guys to really listen to this recording because the last phone call we heard between Angela and Rita, Angela is almost nervous, shaky, very very soft spoken. This call with George, she is back to her old high pitched, screechy, yelling voice. So I just thought that that was interesting because these calls much happened back to back. That right. Other than why, so, I don't really know what happened with that. It kind of just cut off in court and then they were silent for a hot minute in court, so then they picked back up, and I guess maybe the call got dropped. I'm not really sure, but we are going to now play the next call, which I guess was just a continuation of this one. So we're going to do that now. Then yeah, yeah, have to do. Again. That's good food. I'm going there was nothing they didn't have enough because they can't get award without meting other one that was right. They can't give them one ward because they had that. Okay, that's why they went at the and so good so good. Ones won't stay because it don't matter that they had to take up and face. You don't mind they legally because they watched you go up and the long game with the goods, use that evidence when it was they had and they will tell me they wanted to go off and want the ounce and we went off the god that they all the people people they get and then off the world, which it was bel. Except when they except that's why they got lost. That's why they turned off. And then because they know that they can't just case and do it against us. But every they make don doing they gotta have another function to come in. And when that's why he got on, Mom has had to fight for them. Yes, why because I listen, because they. Know what kind of good I tell thee that. Also the president. That's defense, right, so because until some way their lies would you go on? You know, he's so many others there are actually where evidence. Well they don't have to show evidence. If they got one witness. That's why. Uh botics lint will. Happen to be listen eating old one. But that it so that sih, yeah, I'll see Oh yeah, yeah, I. See how we all. Yeah, I know what every word you have the wow, yeah, I think that with joining the long time because give me about food. Hey listen, I know that thinking I came out going to. Stay saying it just once they want to the great minds and I collectation. They don't have anything. They don't have a witness, and they don't have nothing. Mom, it's what they're gonna try. And he says the witness they won't need a family. And this was because oh yeah, killing myself for I thought, good. We have to. Yeah, if I act, i'll. See it crazy tracy, cranky, amazing, I got them. All and that and I don't think that's got back to the back sense probably well anyway, maybe they won't know that Falk come down the wick and they's gonna get that to do that right now. I know there's way not them. Hey, n won't be a record. I don't know why they they want to be at Then that he does becomes up for the walls. That she could have out lost. So if he couldn't live it and don't what was or not? This is about just the wall. But ain'tified. Let's justify god right right? But he got ga said that the gods. Have the say thing that he did say that if he didn't understand something. Or something like that, he can have them that. 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Okay, Okay, well when you get home and all right, let me do I'll be into hopefully I can't if I'll have a way to pick them all. Okay, let me down. Here right a minute. Okay, let me think it big blue, and then because I don't want to hear way about what would go up there, I'll make care. Of it again. Okay. So that whole call is about Rita and Chris Newcom. Chris Newcom is the step brother of Angela Wagner. Rita Newcome obviously is Angela's mom. So basically, Angela and George are just going back and forth about the different family dynamics and Rita not getting drug into it, but like, obviously you drug her into it when you fake notarized a bunch of stuff and then murdered people. And then Chris obviously like is going to talk and let everyone know what he knows when he's questioned and asked. So, yeah, you don't want Rita to be drug into it, but you brought her into it, so it's a little too late for that, in my opinion. But you can hear George and Angela just going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And I do think that this very much shows the prosecution is doing a good job of showing how involved George was with all of this. And I honestly have had my mind changed because I did follow this whole thing when it was going on, and I followed the highlights of the t but I didn't follow all of the details, and hearing these wire taps, I personally, now, this is just my opinion, think that Angela Wagner was the mastermind. I've said that from the start. I fully believe it, I stand by it, and I think George Wagner was second in line, to be quite honest with you, I know, Jake kind of obviously not kind of. He obviously did a lot of bad things, and him and Billy Wagner carried out a bulk of the murders. George didn't necessarily kill anybody, but very much behind the scenes, him and Angela Wagner were pulling the puppet strings for sure, and I honestly didn't know that. That's how I was going to feel about all of this because when George first went on trial and all of the evidence started to come out, obviously it's not good to involve yourself in an a person homicide. But George's whole thing was I didn't kill anybody. I was basically roped into this. But I think these wiretaps tell a completely different story. I don't think Jake Wagner is innocent of anything. If anything, he just went along with all of it, and obviously he says it was his dad's idea, but I just don't even know about that at this moment. I don't think there's any innocent party in the Wagner family, let me be clear on that. But I do think that these wiretaps tell a whole different side conversation and tell a whole different story about really what was going on behind closed doors, because this was all after the homicides, and the way that George just gets so heated up and passionate about Bethann when Bethan didn't do a single thing. In my opinion, I don't think she did a single thing, and I don't really understand why they were coming for her when she did nothing. But it very much makes me think that the way they came for her, the way they came for Tabitha, was the exact same way they came for Hannah may Rodin, and that is why Hannah and her family seven other people lost their lives. Okay, Our next call is July twentieth, twenty eighteen, and it's George and Angela discussing legal representation. If you died with your dad, your dad called him a little bit to day and he to do with. God one of the day back in. So I don't say one one. And that's the core. When I got mad and he got and talk to him, he got all. But also that the papa, I don't care what I was good. He wore that's white pe tag. I'm santed. I'll go with that. I'll go with that. I don't say that's that's what he tag. What I said, that's what he said. And I said, what your dad did the best take company alabib because one wants those. Well, I'm okay, And what did You're good at everything? You know? Okay, it wasn't him. Okay. So that was that call between George and Angela. And now you're gonna hear a call on the same day between Angela and Jake. Are you all right? Okay? Right, he gave him the gun, he gets the coffee. Don't talk to anybody, don't. Answer that question, and remain calm. And you probably got. Bed bug, so remain calm. What's what you say? Don't get angry? Control yourself okay, because he's fly stressful. But absolutely no control yourself. Okay, So now doings that? Okay? What a weird way to put something. I know you probably have bed bugs, but remain calm, Like I guess that's just a figure of speech, as like you're feeling on edge about something and you have bedbugs. But just try to remain calm, don't panic, don't freak out. Answer their questions. Oh my god, I just cannot these people. They make my head hurt. Okay, sorry. Nook's phone call is July twenty fourth of twenty eighteen, and it's between George and Angela and we are going to play that now. I don't know someone out I don't make a living, and the one we can point with you and the kid and whoever else we decide. So we got my wife. Without all that, I think, well, whoever comes to day with that's to it. I gotta take them. I don't care incomes of things. I like people, and they're gonna have to understand by employ I can't. You cannot meet somebody in. Or maybe someone around us to expects men to be something that not and kind of awful, but that they've did THEE take a lot of the he to cut it hard on them, and they don't understand. It that well. You know, I think that you know the other person that. He and. I don't think. So. Yet again we have Angela basically blaming everybody else, taking zero accountability for being a shitty ass human and blaming everybody else that moves in with them for not understanding the dynamics and how Sophie and Bulvine are. And I'll be honest, like, I don't really think that this has anything to do with the children. I think that Angela likes to use the children to manipulate the people that are around her, and I think she did the same thing with her own children as they were growing up and going through school and everything. It's a pattern of behavior from her, and she uses them as an excuse for her really crappy behavior. And I do not like it one bit, and there was a gal that George Wagner had met while they living in Alaska. Her name was Joshaanna or something to that effect, and I don't know if she was maybe going to be moving in with the Wagoners. I'm not really sure of all of that. But the next thing we hear is a text message that was sent from George to her on July twenty eighth. I do want to say she goes by the name Josie, so I'll kind of use it interchangeably. But basically George says to her in this text about how are you okay with the fact that I'm really close with my family? And I guess he kept on talking with Josie into August, so I don't even know, Josie, girl, you dodged a bullet for sure. Our next recording is August eighth of twenty eighteen, and this is again a recording that was in the truck and again really really hard to understand, so I'm not going to play it for you, But basically, the BCI had asked them about a face mask, and Jake says, yeah, that's what you were wearing at the time, because you had a motorcycle and that's what you wore. And George asked, basically, why is it still in the house. It's in a bag. Why wasn't it seized, Why wasn't it taken? Essentially, and then he just talks about b c I being horrible people and that they can broat in hell essentially. But at this point they were just really frustrated because the b c I is completely utterly onto them and their time is super super super running out. Okay, our next call is August eleventh, and this is between George and Angela Wagner, and it is basically George talking about a bug detector. Video camera. Pet it didn't pick up video and listen it picked up Bob listening the vibe, well, the panther, No, my god, that'll make your cat. I don't know what I have, what I'm thinking of it? Why the talking about. That? They haven't uh talk about your dad thing? Okay, so that conversation made my head hurt. But this next one is going to absolutely destroy your soul because we get to hear Billy Wagner and he is a teeth grinder and that is one noise I cannot deal with. It is like nails on a chalco word for me. I don't know if you're gonna be able to hear it in the recording, but it literally makes me want to crawl out of my skin. So this call took place on August thirteenth, and we are going to listen to it. Now. Prepare yourselves if you don't like teeth grinding. Uh, but thank you. Got you gotta you gotta picture that guy that you going all about. No, you gotta have them. Anywhere, no. Deective want of George. Hey, Mom, we'll go. Yeah, did you guys hear that It sounds like a pay it's actually him grinding his teeth. Oh God, I can't. Form it is. Will Okay, I cannot that sound? Just absolutely he sounds like a snorting pig. But yeah, it's him grinding his teeth. He probably has no teeth left at this point. I don't know the condition of Billy Wagner's teeth post arrest and being in prison, but I can't imagine that they are in great shape with that sound that he's making with his mouth. Absolutely not. I have no words. Our next call is August thirteenth, twenty eighteen. Oh. I wanted to make that you got back. I've did that. I called you back and where you are I'm off? Okay, hey listen your way back? Do you have? And then again it cut off and the prosecution even said, hey, can you turn this off? And I don't even know what was going on, but obviously this probably wasn't supposed to be played and they ended up cutting it off. So that's kind of where it cuts off. Okay, this is the last recording, and I am praising the Lord because my head hurts. This is August twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, and it is George to Angela. We are going to play that now. Okay, you get pack uh father. With that house little bit the top of Carners and doull bars, doll class a thousan fur long. Uh. But it's not like to take about car pass the real croffe and catage. Yeah for all the stock most conspicted, uh huh. But yeah, they have four hundred thousand fourth of getting that because they have that the f with it's got like actually have a size chee. It's not like the many cakes and a cross like five thousand pounds one together. Yeah, it's the thing that I took up and the back any cakes one and the least. Give the other. Yeah, so you know when I get a tip of the talking. You know. A way out right right? Yeah, people come in from the. Come in, but people. But yeah, okay, So that is them discussing finding this property and buying, like potentially buying it and moving to get away from all of these horrible people that are just after their family constantly, very much, in my opinion, shows that they are so disconnected from what's really going on around them. The walls are closing in all of that. They just have no idea how close they really are to all being arrested, and they're making this plan to move and put in this fence and this game so other people can't come in. Delusional at its finest for sure. And that is a wrap on day forty, and I feel like I've been at this trial my whole entire life. Definitely the whole summer for sure. Just for context. I am recording this on July twenty first, and I have been hustling trying to get these episodes out and recorded like ahead of time. My goal was to finish summer series and have it like all done. But we're on part eleven. I feel like it's never ending, and we still have George's testimony to go through. So when you're hearing this, know that I am hustling behind the scenes trying to get these episodes out and get them done. But it is a lot of work because I'm literally sitting through seven hours of testimony and just going through different notes and all of the different summerization of all of these days try to get everything out in a timely manner. And I did want to play the wire taps because I feel like hearing from them word for word is just so interesting. So that really took up a lot of time as well, having to go through them and play them, and the ones that I couldn't play because they were so bad quality of sound having to decipher them. And it's just been a journey. But that is Part eleven. I will see you next week for part twelve, where we are going to get into the rest of this trial. We are getting close to the end, I promise, we are so so close. I'm hoping maybe two to three more episodes, but that is just a guesstimate on my part. I might be wrong, I might be right. Maybe I overestimated it. I don't really know, but I will see you guys next week for Part twelve, and I hope you have a good one. Bye. D