Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five The Rodin Family Murders, also known as the Pike County Masker. We're going to be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior, Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin, and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right into Summer Series twenty twenty five. All right, guys, welcome to Part fourteen of Summer Series twenty twenty five Pike County Masker. We are getting to the end. We are going to talk about the closings today and I'm going to try to fit everything into this episode that I can. I'm hoping this will be the last episode. I might have one more after this, though, but we are very very close. So in Closings, the prosecution starts off with their closings and it's about five hours long. I'm not going to go into all of that. We've already kind of talked about all of the different evidence. But one thing I do want to do is take a little time and go over the part of the closings that really remembers the victims and who the victims were. We already know all of the evidence. We know all the evidence against George, we know all the evidence against the Wagoners. But I want to take a minute to talk about each of the victims and their impact and how they were spoken about during closings. Now, I will say, for whatever reason, during closings, initially there was crime scene photos being shown. And I don't know if this was intentional or completely accidental, but there was crime scene photos and it honestly was not the move in my opinion, if it was intentional, if it was for like that shock value, I don't think it was the best thing to be looking at while you're rehashing everything that has just transpired in the last forty three days. But they eventually did take those photos down. But we're going to get into some of the closings now and talk a little bit about each of the victims and honor them the best way that we can, which is to remember them in a positive way and not the horrible, heinous way that their lives were stolen from them. So they start off the closings basically by saying that these murders were senseless, and they basically came out of suspicion and that is the reason that they transpired. They say that all of the victims were unarmed and unsuspecting, and then they talk about Frankie. He was twenty. He loved his children, he liked derby car racing and his fiance. He had just started a new job and it was on the brink of beginning the rest of his life. He loved hunting and chicken fighting. He was not a drinker or involved in the marijuana business. Frankie's crime for which he got the death penalty was kissing his. Niece on the lips. George said, Frankie was the type of man you'd have to go through to get to his family, and that's exactly what happened. Then they move on to Chris Sor and Chris Senior, as we know, was a family man. He worked hard and provided for his family. You hear about his Fourth of July fireworks, and we know that he was involved in the marijuana business, but that has nothing to do with this case. In the beginning, the investigation turned to that to make sure that there was nothing connected. He was killed because he was the patriarch and would figure out who did it and potentially seek vengeance. He was an original target. Angela initially suggested snitching on Chris's senior and marijuana's growing operation so that Hannah May would not have the support in the custody battle, but that got voted down. He was targeted because he was Hannah May's father and the patriarch of the family. None of the victims had drugs in their system, except for Gary Roden, who occasionally did cocaine from time to time. This does not make him a bad person or make him somebody who was deserving of being brutally murdered. Gary was from Kentucky and would sometimes come and stay with Chris and work at Big Bear Lake. He was described as goofy, and George said that he had gone and hunted with Gary in Kentucky. Gary's only crime was simply being there that night, at the wrong place, at the wrong time. He had nothing to do with the suspicions that the Wagners had. Now we're going to get into Kenneth. Kenneth was hard working and generous. He would get up early and drive to his brother's Chris's house, to shower and go work in Columbus. He would come home from work often grab dinner and then head home for the evening. We heard from his daughter who said that he was very supportive of them. You heard from Donald Stone who said how generous Kenneth was and would give his family and non family alike anything they needed. If he could. He was killed because he was a strong guy. George said he considered Kenneth's stronger than him. He may have seeked revenge in the wake of the murders and that's why he was killed. Dana was a loving mother and grandmother. You heard how she was going to watch Brtley the following day because Chelsea had called Frankie and asked if he could watch him at the last minute due to an illness at his daycare. You heard from Angela's own mouth how good of a mother and grandmother Dana was. She was always taking the kids shopping and having little cookouts for them. She was a caregiver. She worked long hours at the nursing home. They had not moved in fully to their new home, but she kept an orderly home. She unfortunately was just there that night. They waited for her to get home, and then she says the prosecutor says, I don't know if that was so she wouldn't come home mid homicide, or they had made the decision that she was going to die. They then start talking about Hannah May Row. Hannah May was nineteen years old. She had just her nineteen and gave birth to five day old Kylie. And she was the mother to Sophia. She was going to school to become a nurse, and she was in a relationship with Corey Holdron. We heard Corey testify how she sat with. Him and helped him through withdrawals, and he very much thought that that was a huge act of love. Hannah May found out that she was pregnant with Charlie Gilly's baby, and Corey met with Charlie and. Asked if he could raise his daughter. A very upstanding man, in my opinion, Corey was with Hannah May when Kylie was born. He ended up cutting the cord and they named Kylie Kylie. Hannah May said Sophia was her world, and she refused to sign custody documents because of what had happened with Tabitha. Hanna May wasn't as easily manipulated as Tabitha, who came from a broken home and didn't have a support system. Canna May came from a home there was support and that was her crime. Also, she wasn't manipulated by the Wagoners and refused to sign the paperwork, and that is the reason that she lost her life. They didn't think she did anything to Sophia, but when she was with her, Hannah May brought people around that the Wagners did not think she should. Little Chris Chris Junior was sixteen. He had just gotten his driver's license and was happy and proud of that. Nobody had anything bad to say about him, except that he was the annoying little brother who tagged along when Hannah May would visit Jake, so Hannah May wouldn't be alone with Jake. Heer Chris Senior and Dana's wishes. They then go in to talking about how this whole case stems from the Wagners losing control of certain women in their lives and how they felt out of control and needed to try to reel it back in, and that is where everything kind of starts with this case, with the custody agreement and them worried about Sophia being around the Rodan family and they felt that they needed to do something. That is where everything kind of stems from. They didn't really talk about Hannah Hazel Gilly and I want to talk about her. She was twenty years old, she was engaged to Frankie Rodin, she was a young mother to Ruger Lee Rodin, and she was just starting her life out. I have come across so many photos of Hannah Hazel, and she just has the brightest, cutest smile. She has a long blonde hair. She was going to do great things with her life, and she unfortunately never got the chance because she was attacked as she slept with her child right nearby. She was a newer mother and getting ready to embark on the rest of her life when her life was stolen by four heinous people, the Wagner family. The rest of the closings are all really good. You can go watch every bit of it. Like I said, it's probably about four and a half five hours, maybe a little over five. Hours of closings. But they ended things by basically saying that George testified that Frankie Rodin was his best friend, but he had also testified that they had kind of drifted apart. He didn't know Hannah Hazel Gilly's name. He didn't know the name of Frankie's youngest son, So how is that your best friend? And they think that he very much testified to all of this because if Frankie is his best friend and Hannah May Rodin is like his little sister, you technically would feel bad and you can't convict him on those things. So that is the reason that they are saying that he said all of this is just to get out of this conviction for this eight person homicide. But yeah, it's fair to say that you might have had a close relationship with Frankie and Hannah May at one point, but things have changed and things have drifted, and at the time of the murders, you were not close with them. They said. George lied at the. Border when he was questioned to fit the narrative and to make sure that he went along with the family alibi. He's basically doing everything he can to put distance in between him and the Rodent family acted like he was not involved in any way, shape or form, but the evidence tells us different. And that is the summary of the prosecution's closings. I do think they did a really good job. I think it started off a little rough with the crime scene photos being shown, but overall, I think they wrapped it up nicely. They had a lot of good points, and at this point in time, if I was a juror, I don't know what I would think, because there's been so much back and forth, my own thoughts and feelings on all of this, throughout all of this different testimony, I do feel a little a little bad for George in a little bit of a way. It's so hard for me to even explain. I know he's a cold blooded killer, but I think he's a product of his environment. Not that that's an excuse, but I very much think that he thought that if he went along with all of this that his family might finally love and accept him, and they actually turn their backs on him, which is just not surprising considering who we're talking about, Jake and Angela Wagner. But we are now going to get into the defense's closings. So they start off, of course, by thinking the jury for their time and service sitting through forty plus days of trial, and then they get right into it. It is actually pretty short and sweet overall from the defense, and I do think they did a overall, really good job. They started off by saying, George is the one on trial. We're not here to defend Billy, Angelo or Jake. And there were days that went by during testimony that you did not even hear George's name mentioned, and that is significant. George Wagner wasn't even a suspect in this case. They interviewed Billy, they interviewed Angela, and they interviewed Jake several times, but they didn't even interview George until the Montana border. He went on to say, there's so much evidence in this case and so much to talk about. He suggested to the jury that they make a list of what's reliable evidence and what's not reliable. He said, on the reliable side, there is phone records, and that is really important stuff. The phone records of the victims are important, and he said he's referencing the last activity on the victim cell phones. He goes through all of the scenes and the last activity on their phones and says that this is important because the time reflects the last time somebody was alive. We don't know the exact time they died, but we do know the last time they were alive. They talk about Jake giving a timeline that doesn't add up to what these records say, and they kind of reference back to George saying he went to bed at twelve thirty and then saying he went to bed at ten o'clock, and this is a huge discrepancy. He then goes on to talk about how the state has presented that this has nothing to do with anything other than custody, but he says during the investigation they realize that this was a very complicated case. It took two and a half years before they found a Facebook message from Hannah May that basically said they'll have to kill me first. He says that it doesn't make sense for one family to kill another whole family just for custody, and ask if this could have been drug related reason and experience teaches us this isn't about custody. Nobody would kill a whole family over custody. If you think your child is being sexually abused, that's a reason to kill. Maybe having a jealous boyfriend. It very much happens, drug deals, it happens, But people don't kill over custody, which I personally have to disagree with because Dan Marcel, we have so many other cases where this has been a thing for sure, but I digress. They then talk. About how Angela was convinced that she thought Sophie was being sexually abused, so she had asked Sophie about it, and Sophie at the time is under the age of two, and Angela believes what Sophie says. And then Angela then goes to Billy and tells him something is going on. We have to do something. There is a lot of back and forth conversation about it, and Billy is the one that basically decides that they have to kill the whole rowdin Family. He then goes Toke Jake says there's no way I'm doing this, ends up walking out of the room, and then he says from there that Jake went and confronted Hannah May about the abuse allegations. Hannah brushes it off, says we'll take care of it, and Jake gets very upset and then goes to Billy and says that I am in Jake and Billy planned this eight person massacre on the road in Family, Angela got involve, but then he asked, do you hear George's name specifically being mentioned? Do you hear them talking about having a family meeting to discuss the killing of the Rodent family, and then he says, when someone testifies, you have to consider their demeanor. Jake was laughing, smiling, and smirking as he's talking about committing these murders. Angela is also no better. She says she loved Hannah May like a daughter, and they would often sit at the top of the stairs and talk in the middle of the night. Yet she plans to kill her own daughter. You don't think that she would throw George under the bus if she's plotting to kill her own daughter. She sees them walk out the door. She knows what. They're gonna do. Does she call nine one one No? Does she call Hannah May and say run for your life? No? Does she call Dana? Does she call Chris Senior? No? She doesn't call anybody. She testified that she simply went to sleep. She believed that a two year old is being abused. If that was the case, you would take her to the emergency room or a doctor. You would talk to her mother or her grandmother. She didn't do any of that. Jake is a mama's boy. There liars con artists and thieves. Angela is an arsonist, and I do think that everything he's saying here is a actual, one hundred percent true. Angela and Jake are all of these things. She gets dogs from the pound and dyes their hair. She's manipulative. You can't believe a word that comes out of their mouths as reliable evidence. They then go on and rehash a lot. Of other things. He then says that George isn't perfect, but he's not Jake. He spent as much time away from home as he could, but you do have to consider his upbringing. Jake is the one that went into the crime scenes one, two, three four. He said that Jake and Angela had motive to do this. Billy His was maybe drug related or maybe he was on board with the abuse idea. But George didn't get along with his family. He got into fists and verbal altercations with his dad. He couldn't stand how Jake was in his personality. He spent a lot of time away from home as much as he could. Of course, they did live and work together, but they didn't like each other. So there's no way that he was involved in this. They have nothing to prove that George was around at the time of the murderers, physically there or involved. They have nothing on George, only the word of Jake and Angela, and Angela threw her own mother into the case, so of course she would throw her own son in as well. They then talk about George and Frankie's relationship and how as they got older and had kids, they essentially drifted apart. And they talked about George's testimony about being homeschooled and just wanting to be alone to hunt and fish and do his own thing. They said he broke every rule that his dad had taught him, and he did it for himself and his son. Jake and Angela destroyed George and Bovine's life. Bovine was all that George had, and when he and Tabby decided to end their marriage, he got a lawyer and offered to help Tabitha get an attorney. Then later when beth Ann came into the picture, George didn't approve. Why would anyone come into this family with this cloud of suspicion about eight murders over them. Then when they ended up coming back to Ohio, and Angelus said that Sophie accused beth of abuse. George, of course freaks out because he had the same experience previously with Tabitha's family and he didn't want to go through this again. He just wants her out of the house. He doesn't want to kill beth Ann, just like he didn't want to kill Tabby. He doesn't want to kill her. He doesn't want to kill her family. He just wants them out to protect his son. So why would he want Hannah may rodin the gal that he considered his little sister dead. Why would he want to kill Frankie? It makes no sense. Look at the evidence from George's point of view, Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you judge him. Then they talk about the GoFundMe, how Angela ended up setting it up, and then Jake edited it and says, can you imagine that they kill these people and have the audacity to to set up a GoFundMe. Jake testified that he was the one to shoot them all one at a time, clear to their heads. He said he shot at Chris Senior. Angela was asked about the truck at Peterson Road and she said it was a green Dodge, but it was not a Green Dodge. When Jake said he was at Frankie's house with his zombie Apocalyse knife. He got in and out of the back door. Billy was right behind him. But guess what, he didn't see George there. They thought the murders took place between three am and seven forty nine am, when the nine to one one call was placed, and that is significant in the timeline. George got nothing for his testimony during this trial, but Jake and Angela did. They talk about Angela hacking into different social medias, how she kept a notebook with passwords. She hacked into. Everyone's Facebook account, and she was looking up topics after the murder. She couldn't keep her hand out of it. She told people that the family was being framed. You'll get dury instructions from the judge that the law required you to use Jake and Angela's testimony with grave suspicion. After viewing it with grave suspicion, there's no proof beyond a reasonable doubt that George was even there that night. Look at his testimony compared to Jake and Angela's. His mother wouldn't even look at him, would not even look at him. Jake was smiling and smirking and laughing when talking about the murders. And you're going to believe those people proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know what you'll believe if you believe George was there. Don't forget Jake said he also had no intent to kill. He went along at the last second. He was there to protect Jake from crazy Billy. Jake is jealous, and to commit these crimes, you have to be deeply disturbed. There's no testimony he shot anyone, or that George was even there. Look at the timeline and the phone records. The records don't show when somebody was killed, but they show when someone was last alive. There is a large amount of time unaccounted for. Compare George's demeanor to Jake's. Take time to understand the evidence and look at it from George's point of view. As soon as I sit down, there will be something I wish I said. But you understand our position. Return a verdict of not guilty on all charges. You took an. Oath, and follow that oath and hold the state to their burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Jake is gone for the rest of his life. Angela, Well, they made that deal. George is different from Jake, a different from Angela, and that is it. That is the last of the defense's closings. I do think that they did a really good job here. The evidence in this case, there is so much. It's really so back and forth. I personally do think that George was involved, But I think that the defense did a really good job in the closings trying to put a little bit of reasonable doubt out there where you would really have to sit and go through the evidence. If I was a juror in this case, I feel like it would take me forever to sit and delve through all of this evidence. But I truly do think that George was involved, and I think the only reason he was involved is because he so desperately wanted his family's approval, and I think that this was his way where he kind of thought that if he involved himself and sided with them, that he might get it, and just ended up going along with it, and they ended up, of course, turning their backs on him because they are truly truly horrible people, and eight people had to lose their lives in all of this. They have destroyed lives of children and their grandchildren for years and years and years to come, which is the biggest tragedy of them all. Last thing we're going to get into is the rebuttal, which was done by the prosecution, and it was done by Prosecutor Wilson, and he did a really really good job. He did poke some holes in some of what the defense said. So there is a lot of back and forth, but this is how the jury ends their time by hearing Prosecutor Wilson go through everything. So we're going to summarize that right now, and then we're going to get into the verdict. So he kind of starts off getting right into it and talks about how in the closings, the defense says, you cannot believe Jake, my client, George Wagner the fourth did not do this, and then kind of reiterated in Jake's testimony that Jake very much talked about how George went there, but he didn't go there with intent to kill. He didn't kill anybody. But the defense is saying, you can't believe anything that Jake Wagner says, so essentially, you can't have it both ways. He then goes on to say there has been no direct testimony that he pulled the trigger in any of the murders, but you better believe he's up to his eyeballs with his family. He then goes into all the murders and discusses all of the shots fired. He said, Jake wants his brother to be found not guilty. Quote under law, George didn't have to pull the trigger once to be guilty of these murders. Complacency is when two or more people have a criminal goal. One does one part and the other does the other. You can't move into a crime scene to move a body from one room to another. You're on the hook. You can't accompany one on a reconnaissance mission knowing the reason ultimately is to kill the people inside. You can't stand there as muscle for someone else to come in and kill somebody. You can't stand guard for your co defendant so they can go down the hall and kill people inside. You can't drive an extra vehicle as an escape option if things go south. You're going to get these jury instructions. In each count of the twenty two indictments, you'll see that he is charged as a principal offender. Counts one through eight are overwhelming. It's a number of charges we are claiming he is aiding an a betting in and then he goes through all of these. He said, it can get confusing. He didn't pull the trigger. But if you go to the end of the instructions, one of the last things the judge will instruct you on is complicity, and that is part of every count of his indictment. I suggest someone, if not all of you, take the complicity out of the stat read complicity along with each count doesn't apply to this count. It's important because each count is written as George being the principal offender. If he aided and abetted, he's guilty of that count. Anything the principal offender did is also on George. He then puts up a photo of the Wagner family which was taken after the murders. Of course they are smiling. You know, happy, go lucky, and he said, that is very much our theory on this case. They stole Vine and they wiped out an entire family to get Sophia. They justify the killings over protecting Sophie from being abused. They never called Children's services took her to see a doctor because it wasn't true. They made terrible allegations against this family. But the reason they didn't do it in public, well it wasn't true. It's the same reason they did it against Tabi and Beth. It's their playbook as part of a common plan or scheme. You can use that to show intent or motive. The common plan or scheme they use to get sole custody of the kids is they fabricate claims of abuse to get women out of their lives. It worked with Tabby and Beth. It didn't work with Hannah Ma. She had support, literal mic drop love it. She was strong, she had a family. It wasn't happening with Sophie. And they knew this. They were scared of the Rodents. And then he recalls Billy's first interview in September of twenty sixteen, when he tells investigators, quote, if you're going to fight Chris, you better put him down because he's coming back at you. End quote. He then said the Wagners needed to control how the kids would be raised. That's a group trade they all subscribed to. And he really went off and he did not miss a beat. It was amazing. It was fantastic. I wanted to cheer after I heard it all. It was so good, and. There was a lot more, but that was the main stuff that I wanted to really put in this episode, because this is what the jury hears right before they go back to deliberations, and in my opinion, hearing this kind of seeing it all come together, and yeah, they did a fantastic job on the rebuttal. And if you were kind of on the fence before this rebuttal really could have swayed you over to the other side, the side of George Wagner, the forest guilt. And with that, the jury went back and started their deliberation. After more than two and a half months of testimony, hearing from everybody connected to this crazy web of crazy Wagnermania, the jury took less than eight hours to come to their verdict, and that verdict was guilty on all charges, all twenty two counts, including eight of murder. So I'm going to read all of his charges. So eight counts of aggravated murder, four counts of aggravated burglary, three counts of tampering with evidence, one count of conspiracy, one count of unlawful possession of a dangerous ordinance, one count of forgery, one count of unauthorized use of a computer or telecommunications, one count of interception of wire, oral or electronic communications, one count of obstructing justice, and one count of engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. The week before the verdict was announced, though the judge did agree to remove the death penalty off of the table in George's case. When the verdict was read, George just kind of remained stoic. He didn't react. There was no emotion. Really. I think he knew that he was toast and honestly, it's ultimate betrayal from his family because they involved him in the Shenanigans and then they took technically the easy way out, the plea deal, and then testified against him. Like I have no George Wagner apologist, but if I was him, I would be so pessed at Angela and Jake Billy. I don't really have any words about Billy. He doesn't get along with his dad anyway. But Angela and Jake were the driving force behind this entire thing. You cannot convince me otherwise. Of course, after the verdict was read, the different members of the Rodent family were emotional crying, hugging each other. They had a really long six year journey in all of this to get some justice for their eight family members who were so viciously taken. Think about losing one family member in a tragic way and then multiply that by eight. I just cannot even fathom how much pain this poor family has had to go through, and Hannah Hazel Gilly's family as well. The Ohio Governor Mike DeWine held a press conference following the verdict and is quoted as saying, from the day of the crime, I was convinced we were going to solve the cases. I believe it's one of the most complicated cases in BCI history, and it's a testament to have investigators stuck with it. And I have to agree they did everything that they could to. Figure all of this out. Planet They did the wiretaps, they did the investigation, they trailed the Wagners, they followed the Wagners, and in the end they got the Wagners. Thank you Lord for BCI and their hard work in this case, because if not, they easily could have gotten away with this and they would be living their best life right now in Alaska. Doing God knows what, terrorizing, God knows who. I am so glad that they are behind bars and will not harm anybody else for a really really long time. Angela Wagner will be out of prison one day, and it's going to be a while, but she will be out and about one day, and that is a really, really scary thought. So I do want to go through a little bit of sentencing. We're going to talk about George Wagner the fourth sentencing. We're going to talk a little bit about some victim impact statements that were given at Jake sentencing and Jake sentencing as a whole, Angela sentencing and the upcoming of it all with Billy Wagner because he is supposed to go to trial this year and it is going to be a long probably two and a half months for his trial, So buckle up, guys. So, George Wagner the Fourth was sentenced to eight consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole. And this is going to piss you all off. I already know because I was not pleased. We're going to get into Jake's sentence in a minute. But the judge said that he wanted to distinguish Jake's sentence from his brothers, since Jake cooperated with authorities while George chose to go to trial. Now, Jake Wagner in cold blood shot eight people, including a child, Chris Roden Junior. And when I say his sentence, I'm actually going to play it for you. When the judge sentenced him. There's a video that goes along with it. You really have to see Jake's face because he's just astonished at his sentence. As am I, as am I. I am going to play the video now of the judge sentencing Jake Wagner, and then we're going to talk about it. And I'm also going to play a victim impact statement from Hannah Hazel Gilly's mother, because it was powerful and it really sticks out to me as a victim impact statement. And the Roden family lost a lot, but Hannah Hazel Gilly's family also lost a lot. They lost a daughter, sister, friend, cousin. Hannah was just starting her life, she was a mom, she was a fiance, she was planning her life, and she was attacked while she slept by the horrific Wagners. And it is so frustrating, it's so sad. All of these people were so full of life and not doing anything wrong. They were literally, unfortunately, just people that the Wagners felt were in their way. 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I think that very seriously. It's a privilege after retirement would be granted the opportunity to come back and continue to help my column. That's why I want to get out the. Better he is the problem maybe a skill of why to resolve the the the problem. That's how I got here. I was talking about this with your dad once ago. I got two problems is when I walked into this case but explained the two problems. First problem was a recommendation on your case that was the same as it was on your product Life about Parle, which is what you've got right. How did he get to it? He went to trial, he had ten weeks of trial, and yet thousands of. Dollars and dozens of witnesses and emotional energy and staff, energy people, energy resources, energy to get them to his conviction. Yet the recommendation here is the same as it should be. No credit for all. The cooperation game. As mister Vision said, you don't. Have the corroboration of the coper witness, you may not have any case. So I have resolved at first problem is how is it that alsots to treat. You this because he killed a people? Yeah, he killed a people in cold blood hollow. I resolved a good deal. The new mom got thirty years. Is a really long time, No longer enough. It's a really good deal, is it for the level of the conduct, especially that she could have stopped the whole thing getting its tracks before it ever happened. I don't let her off to the hook because you didn't go to the scene. I quit are equally responsible because the eyes of the law, quint are equally responsible. So my second problem is how do I. Resolve what looks to me like some sort of gender vibance. Here's how I resolve. I give you the opportunity of parole after twenty years on your created Senate. You do six on the gun inspect, you do sticks on the gun inspect, you do life on all the other counts, everything concurring with the opportunity of parole in twenty years. So thirty two years out, you give your chance because you go out, because you get something to acknowledge the responsibility for the crime. That's not a feel. That's as close as I didn't come. The solving the problem is handed to be by these ancient play periods. If everybody wants to the last judge is sensitive deal. It should have said my little last jest. Everybody knew jud Gearys was gone right after the last try. Okay, we don't need to hear any more of that shenanigans. But life in prison with the possibility of parole in thirty two years. Angela is out in thirty years. Rita newcom pled guilty and is out on probation. George Wagner, a person who, even though he was complicit, even though he was there, did not physically kill anybody, is in prison for life without the possibility of parole. I like to say, I think our justice system works. I think every one of them, besides Rita Newcom should be behind bars for the rest of their lives. My personal opinion, they do not need to see the light of day ever, ever, ever again. And I don't know how you can sit through the victim impact statements, especially the one that Hannah Hazel Gilly's mom gave, and turn around and say I'm going to sentence you to life in prison with the eligibility of parole after thirty two years. Jake's face, Jake was just shocked as I was. I mean, holy moly, you killed eight people in cold blood while they slept, and you have the possibility to get out of prison. Jake is not going to be that old when he could potentially get out of prison. Holy moly. All right, we are now going to hear from Andrea Shoemaker, who is the mother of Hannah Hazel Gilly. She does not care, and she spoke her truth, and she's a true warrier. She's a badass, and I hope that she is doing okay present day because I can't even imagine her pain. She's wearing a shirt with Hannah and Frankie's picture on it. It makes me just want to sob She's emotional and she is impact full, and she is speaking to the wagoner, she's speaking to Jake. She lets it all go. And I'm gonna play that for you now. It's about four minutes the clip I'm gonna play, So get ready. You playing carry out and burd my grand son who is six muscles between his mom and dad ran Keith and has Billy let alone, your green daughter's mother. How greedy help of the grandmother are you? How agree you killed your. Grandmother's, your green daughters and mother. You're evil? You're evil. You are the spawn the savings, and your saving. Is Billy Wacker. You knew? Are me evil? As mother's health? I man carry out to take your life of thoe of them months? My daughter was with twenty and you want thirties years your life behind all career. It was moy You know. She didn't be the next fine alcohol six terms of her life? Was her kidded five months and Hanna, I know them. The love of your lives will. A quager, the love of for life, your daughter's mother the sheep four days, Clay further go four days? Do you know what kind of answers? I don't queen's I have to answer further. Even bad people one yes, fathing your face is on the news, so guess what I had to explain. More because they're not kids, the kids that they're not six months old, they're not four, ten, ten years. He's been one out the die, the teacher you have fished, oh man things he has to depends on uncles thousands because a huge Jake greedy. Jake wager you. I want you to self. I want you not hold off BC. I want your father to live. He always to die as well as your dad. I want you to die so your mom builds a heartache. What's like to carry the child that never goes to play. I don't hate you. You hrunt my life. You purlent innocent childrens loves. I hope your job. I'm praying day y'all. I'll hurry your grandchildren and your children. Yeah. I don't want anything to do with you, and I. Hope they never too. I hope your daughter hates you with a costume and as much heart as I hate chick quarter. You stood my hate my. Mother five times, been ahead long times. Man water suddenly between them and here. May she's holding her little pearl, and you've shot birth. How cold you did yours? I'll say, I'll say it again. Songs us take you and your brother you equlness created them and miss Frida on. The field shut a sorry from give. I know you're shamed to have suns of dollars and grandsons that be wolf because you was the first to fill the guilt and said you was sorry and it was your Christian duty to tell the truth. So I have not braying any works. It works for my heartbreaks freaking. Had such an eight evil you sponse. Yes, girl, go off? She really, I mean it's emotional even watching that because she is so passionate. She is shaking, like physically shaking with her just trauma and rage and sadness and heartbreak, it all just it's so powerful and so wild that this whole thing happened, and it happened for no other reason other than selfishness. They stole eight lives all because they were selfish and greedy. And Angela is a whack job and she had total control over both of her sons and Billy he is no better. He is, as Hannah's mom. Said, Satan And then the children are spawn of Satan's and she didn't have any bad words to say for Rita other than she felt sorry for her, which I think is very telling. Rita. Honestly, I can't imagine the pain that she feels with all of this, and her daughter involved her in all of it, which is really shitty. I don't know. This one really bothers me. It'll probably bother me for the rest of time. I am definitely going to keep you guys updated on Billy's trial. Any upcoming news that happens with Billy Wagner, I will be sure to bring it in a little right now in True Crime Update. But that is Summer series twenty twenty five. The Rodin family murders most important. Let's remember our victims. Christopher Roden Senior, Christopher Roden Junior, Dana Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah May Roden, Hannah Hazel, Gilly, Gary Roden, Kenneth Roden. Those are the names that matter, the children that are left, the surviving victims in this case, the families, everybody that has been affected by this. On the Rodin family side, they wait for justice as they wait for Billy Wagner to go to trial. I will continue to keep you guys updated. Like I said, and I thank you so very much for tuning into Summer Series twenty twenty five. It took fourteen episodes to get through this convoluted, crazy story and a two and a half month trial, but we did it. I will see you guys next summer for a brand new summer series. Taking suggestions if you want to recommend anything. But thank you guys so much for listening to this story the Pie County Massacre. Learning a little bit more about the Rodin family because they are way more than how their lives were taken. Hannah Hazel Gilly was more than what happened in the last few seconds of her life. She was a mom, She was a daughter. She was only twenty years old. Chris Rodin Junior was a sweet teenage boy, very loving, very kind, always helping people out at school. He was a gem. Hannah May Rodin a fantastic mother, holding her four day old baby, baby Kylie when she was killed. Frankie Rodin a dad, a fiance getting ready to start his life, and also somebody that George Wagner claimed was one of his best friends. Dana Rodin, she worked as a nurse's aide. She was a loving mom and grandmother and did everything she could to protect her family. Chris Rodin Senior, the main guy of the family, also a great guy, a grandfather, a hard worker, a good friend. According to Billy that was his best friend. Kenneth Roden, also a very hard worker, a loving dad, caring and a all around nice person. And Gary Rodin, who was the cousin of Chris Rodin Senior. Again good guy, wrong place, wrong time. Unfortunately he stayed a lot of the time with Chris Senior, and unfortunately that night his life ended because he was there. Essentially, all people that need to be remembered for all the good that they did. Every human makes mistakes, every human has faults in life, but they did nothing to deserve what happened to them. I hope their families have a little bit of peace, and I hope the rest of the peace will come when Billy is locked up, hopefully for the rest of time, as he should be. And I hope that Jake Wagner. Never ever ever gets paroled, and I hope that every family member is up there during the parole hearing to speak their piece and speak their truth, because that evil human never deserves to see the light of day again, especially after thirty two years. All Right, thank you guys so much again for listening. I will see you next summer for Summer Series twenty twenty six. Have a great week and I will see you Thursday for a brand new Unsolved case. Bye.
