Summer Series 2025: Pike County Massacre: Part 2

Poppy killed Mommy was the first thing my little sister said to me after her father murdered our mother. My mom had gotten off the phone at nine fifty three pm on July eighth, nineteen ninety three, after making plans to leave him. By one forty am, a nine one one call was placed asking for help. Three hours and forty seven minutes. That's how fast a woman can go from planning her escape to being gone. Her death was ruled a homicide. The man who killed her admitted that he might have shot her. My sister, just three years old, told police more than a dozen times Poppy killed Mommy, but the Yavapai County Attorney said there was enough evidence to prosecute. Seventy five percent of women murdered by an intimate partner are killed while they're trying to leave. My mom became part of that statistic. This is the story they buried. Listen to Poppy killed Mommy and hear what they refused to see. Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five. The Rodent Family Murders, also known as the Pike County Master We're going to be discussing the murders of Dana Roden Christopher Roden Senior, Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin, and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Summer Series twenty twenty five with Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We are going to go ahead and get in. To part two of the Roden Family massacre Pike County Massacre. You'll hear me refer to it as both throughout this series. So now that we've laid out all that happened and are victims, I do want to dive a little bit more into each victim and who they were. Like I said, I very much want the series to be victim focused, and I think getting to know the victims in any case that I'm covering is important. At the end of the day, this family was just trying to live their day to day lives and doing what they had to do to stay afloat. None of them were bad people, and like I said earlier in episode one, they all generally had a really good reputation. None of them had enemies. They were just kind of people living their day to day, mining their own business and doing their own thing, and they did not deserve what happened to them. So we are going to start with Christopher Roaden Senior. He was born on September seventeenth of nineteen seventy five. He was nineteen years old when he would marry sixteen year old Dana on October twenty seventh of nineteen ninety four. Their oldest son, Frankie, was born in August of nineteen ninety five, followed by Hannah, who was born in April of. Nineteen ninety seven. Finally, the youngest son, Christopher Junior, was born in November of nineteen ninety nine. Dana and Chris would go on to divorce in two thousand and seven, but remained close and shared custody of their three children. Dana worked as a nurse's aide. Chris Senior and his oldest son would go on to work for a resort called Lake Family Resort. Frankie Rodin had graduated from high school in twenty twelve and had taken some welding classes while he was there. He was basically just a good. Old country boy who loved to hunt and love to fish. He had a three year old son from a previous relationship, and he was a great dad. He began dating Hannah Hazel Gilly in December of twenty fourteen. Hannah was into some of the same things that Frankie was. She loved to hunt, she loved to fish, and she was part of the four h club in her high school. Hannah and Frankie became engaged the following year after they started dating, and they were new parents to a brand new baby when their lives were senselessly taken. Christopher Junior was a freshman in high school and like I mentioned last episode, he was a fierce protector of others, but also spent some time working with his dad and brother at the resort during his summers off from school. Hannah Rodin is described as being outgoing, always happy and smiling, and nobody that knew her ever saw her down or upset. She was super, super bubbly. She dreamed of being a nurse's aide, just like her mom, Dana. Kenneth Wagner is described as the kind of guy who would do anything to help anyone, a true gentleman, and he worked for US Utilities. He was a father to four. Children and was a very hard worker and he didn't bother anyone. Gary Rodin is described as a hunter, fisherman, and a hard worker. He was the baby of his family and everyone said nothing but good things about him. Another life senselessly taken too soon. So, as I talked about in episode one, the Wagner family and their connection to the Rodin family, how this all came to be, I think to understand how we got where we're at now with the wagon Her family essentially conspiring and annihilating the Rodent family, we have to understand the dynamic of the Wagner family and where it all started, because, as we know, in situations like this, it's a pattern. We see a pattern of coercive control, we see a pattern of abuse, we see a pattern of really poor behavior and no accountability that ends up snowballing into a situation like. What we're in now. So we're going to talk about all of that. William Emmanuel Wagner was born June fourth of nineteen seventy one in Lucasville, Ohio. He had an older brother and an older sister. His parents, Bob and Fredrika Wagner, ran the Flying w Ranch, where they bred and sold horses and exotic animals. He was homeschooled by his mom, and his education ended in sixth grade. In nineteen eighty six, at the age of fifteen, he went to court in order to take the same name as his father and grandfather. He would now be known as George Washington Wagner the Third, and he would go by Billy. I don't know about y'all, but this whole thing was kind of a little odd to me, because he went by Billy anyways. So why go through all the hassle and trouble. Of changing your name if you're just gonna go by Billy anyways. I guess maybe it was something about carrying on the family name, but honestly, I'm. Not exactly sure. Early in nineteen ninety one, he married Angela Joe Carter, with their eldest son, George Wagner the Fourth, being born that October and Jacob Wagner coming thirteen months later. The family would live. On properties owned by Billy's parents, and would eventually buy their own home in twenty fourteen. Billy Wagner would often refer to himself as a trust fund brat and brag about the wealth that he had because of his parents, and I'm sure with this came a sense of entitlement. It's giving Murdaw energy vibes to me, for sure. Billy did work, though he worked off and on. He drove a truck and he would haul animals to and from point A to point B. He and Angela ended up filing for bankruptcy at one point in time, and they reported just nine hundred and nineteen dollars a month in joint income, five hundred and thirty dollars from the Social Security Administration, and three hundred and eighty nine dollars in food stamps. In order to raise money to keep up with the Joneses, Billy decided that he needed to turn to a life of crime. He torched houses and cars for the insurance money. He sold pills, and would try his hand at growing marijuana plants. But his specialty was stealing merchandise from semi truck trailers and teaching his two sons to do the same. Billy would often unload some of what he stole in Mexico. He would take the profit and keep it in jars at the home instead of in the bank. They essentially said that Billy would take these jars of cash and bury them randomly around the county, so if he ever needed it, he would have multiple options to be able to go and dig them up. Billy had the mindset that he would do whatever he had to do so later on in life his sons wouldn't have to turn to crime. However, that obviously did not work out for them. The Wagners would also homeschool their children, much like Billy was homeschooled, another way to control their narrative and keep things. On the up and up for their family. But unfortunately, Jake and George became a product of their environment, and at this point they're all facing murder charges. So once investigators discovered all this stuff with the Wagner family and the custody disputes and everything, it all started to make sense. They got access to Jake's phone and realized that everything Jake had said about him and Hannah co parenting and getting. Along was not true. Before baby Sophia was even born, Jake was dominating and saying that he wasn't going to budget about custody of Sophia and that she would be staying with the Wagner family regardless of what Hannah did. So what we're seeing here. Is a textbook abusive relationship pretty much from the start, and now with the child involved, it just complicated things that much more. And also the fact that Hannah was so much younger than Jake. It's very typical predatory behavior for a man to go after a young, impressionable girl that they can easily manipulate, and in my opinion, that's exactly what Jake Wagner did to Hannah Rodin. And when Hannah pushed back, not only did she gain Jake as an enemy, but she gained the whole Wagner Klana's enemies, and they had money and they had power. In March of twenty fifteen, Hannah had decided she had enough. She told her dad that Jake had choked. Her and that he and the whole family had become way too controlling over her and her life. Jake was controlling Hannah all the way around, and it wasn't only Hannah that was affected by this. George, who is Jake's brother, had a girlfriend named Tabitha who would also live with the Wagner family while Hannah was living there. Tabitha would go on to marry George and they had a baby, and although Hannah was able to come and go and even stay with her parents at times, Tabitha wasn't allowed the same things. Her family was completely cut off from her because the Wagner family thought that they were bad news. Basically, what we see here is a pattern, not just a pattern by Jake, but a pattern by. The Wagner family as a whole. The Wagners would also go on to accuse Tabitha of poisoning their food and also of abusing the son that her and George share together, all of which were unfounded claims. There ended up being an altercation one night when Tabitha was upset after an argument and was trying to leave with her child and Angela. Jake and george mom ended up throwing a two by four at Tabitha and she basically had to hide on the property until it was dark, and then she snuck away and called her mom for help. This was obviously a super abusive situation, so with this, they ended up getting a dissolution of their marriage and entered into a custody battle. But Tabitha didn't have any legal representation, so she got the short end of the stick. Of course, because she was up against the almighty Wagners. And in this custody arrangement, she was allowed to see her son, but only when the Wagner said so, and only with their supervision. And they said that this of. Course, was only temporary until Tabitha could get back on her feet, and they convinced and manipulated her that they were trying to help her and that things were going to get better with their relationship, even though that was not true. They were just stringing her along the best they could and using her son against her. That is really shitty behavior. In my opinion. Hannah and Tabitha were in very similar situations, it seemed from the outside looking in. On December ninth of twenty fifteen, Hannah had a Facebook messenger conversation with Tabitha's mother, Tess. Now. In this conversation, they were talking about how Tabitha was seemingly tricked into signing custody over of her son to the Wagner's under false pretenses of them helping her get her back on her feet, and Tess had told Hannah, make sure you don't sign any papers giving up custody of your daughter, and Hannah commented back that they would have to kill her first, and that she would never sign the papers. That text message came out in trial, and I will be talking about that when I go over the trial happenings. Now. Little did Hannah know that Angela Wagner, being the crazy woman she is, had hacked her social media and was essentially reading the messages that we're going back and forth between Hannah and Tess as they were being set, which pretty much set the plan in motion. As soon as Hannah said. They'll have to kill me first, that is when it all started. Angela also had Tabitha's social media passwords and information and was made to give them to Angela when Tabitha lived with the family. I'm sure this was very much the same for Hannah when she moved in. She made Hannah hand over her passwords and social media and everything. This family, the Wagner family, was just one giant red flag. Now, looking at this. From the outside looking in, before you really know the full story, I think that you could have really looked at Angela as an innocent bystander and all of this basically just saying that she is. Loyal to her family. But from all of the research I've done, and everything that came out at trial, it seems that she was just as much of a willing participant as anyone else was in this whole thing. This also very much reminds me of Gabby Petito, how she basically left home out of state, moved in with her boyfriend and his family, and later when she wanted to spread her wings and fly, her boyfriend very much gloved on her, tagged along, made it their thing, and then he killed her because he was a controlling, abusive asshole, and his parents covered for him because they are also bad people. Family loyalty runs deep in these abusive situations so often, and it's most commonly a cycle of behavior. It doesn't start with one person. It is a cycle, and you see it spread from one generation to the next generation to the next generation. So during Jake's confession, he pretty much said that this wasn't his idea to murder Hannah, but that it. Was his dad, Billy's idea. According to Jake's confession, they started planning the murders in January twenty sixteen, and the whole premise of the murders was because Jake wanted. Full custody of Sophia and he had been. Told that because he and Hannah were not married, that it was unlikely that the court was going to award him custody because, like I said in episode one, typically in Ohio, they will side with the mother and give the mother custody of the child. And because the Wagners were the Wagners, they wanted full control and they did not want this for a second. And allegedly there was talk that they were worried about Sophia's safety. At least that's the excuse that they used. They thought that Hannah had been sexually abused by a family friend, and they were worried that Sophia was going to be sexually abused as well while Sophia was in Hannah's care. Initially, the Wagner's plan was to murder Hannah and her new boyfriend Corey and try to set it up to make it look like a murder suicide, essentially trying to frame Corey for Hannah's murder, which is such a horrible. Thing to do. But Billy didn't think that this was a good idea. He didn't think it would work, so they kind of toyed around with some other ideas. Angela then thought that they could route out Chris Senior for his marijuana growing operation and that that would break the family. Down a little bit. But Billy didn't want to do this and send one of his best friends to jail, so rationally, let's go ahead and just kill him and his whole family instead. These people are so delusional and deranged. You don't want to send your best friend to jail, but you're gonna shoot him and kill him like murderous, multiple gunshots. I am so. Confused by these people. I cannot So they started planning their murders and their initial plan was to kill Dana, Chris Hannah, and Chris Junior, but Jake admitted that he knew that there was probably going to be other people present when the murders occurred and that they would also have to die because they were eyewitnesses, and he said they were okay with that. They would go on to make purchases of flashlights, ammo weapons, all of the things that they needed to carry out this murder. They also purchased Ville Crow shoes from Walmart, and they purchased them in different sizes than what they would normally wear. So these are. People that are methodically planning out this murder and they are planning on how they're going to do it and how they're going to get away with it. On April ninth of. Twenty sixteen, George went and bought two ski masks. There were also two sets of documents that were presented that one of them gave Angela Wagner custody of Jake and George's children if something should happen to them. And there was another a document that was dated Christmas of twenty fourteen, which was the last holiday that Hannah spent with the Wagoners, and it basically said that she wanted Jake to have full custody of her child if she were to die, and that document would go on to be proven to be forged. Now this is kind of where Angela's mom comes into the mix, because she is brought in to say that she witnessed Hannah Rodin signed this document, and that was not true. Hannah never signed that document. So Angela's mom, Rita ended up coming clean and said what had happened, So that is why her charges ended up getting decreased. The Wagoners ended up purchasing a truck specifically to carry out the murders. George and Jake ended up dyeing their hair dark before their murders. All of this shows intent and planning and premeditation and all of the things that you need for a murder trial to try to prove intent and planning and motive and all of the things. It is going to be a wild ride. The trial of George Wagner lasted for almost three months, so we have a lot to. Talk about, a lot to cover. I never really plan my summer series out as far as how long it's going to last. I literally just take everything minute by minute, and in this case, trial day by day, because there's three months of content to share with you guys. But we're gonna talk about it all. There's so much to talk about in George's trial. George ended up testifying on his own. Behalf, Jake testified. There is a lot that came out in trial, and we're going to break it all down and ultimately talk about the results, which if you are all familiar with any thing Wagner related, they are all going to be behind bars for a very very long time, as. They should be. So the trial of George Wagner the fourth started on September twelfth of twenty twenty two in Waverley, Ohio. The jury consisted. Of nine women and three men, and they picked six alternates, which. Consisted of five women and one man. And typically in a trial, they don't pick six alternates, but they picked so many because they anticipated the trial to last from six to eight weeks, but it ended up lasting almost three months, and that's a long time for a trial, so they wanted to make sure that they had enough alternates just in case somebody got sick or had a family emergency pop up and they weren't able to fulfill their jury service. The jury consisted of a teacher, There were a couple of local business owners, There was a physical therapist, and they had a good variety of ages. Some were in their twenties, some were in their thirties, but the majority were in their forties and fifties. And I think having a wide variety of jur age and gender and roles and jobs is so important in a trial like this because we have eight victims, some are young, some are older, and the defendant himself is a younger individual. So very interesting to see the dynamics of the jury and all of that. The trial itself involved sixty witnesses and close to five thousand pieces. Of evidence, which is a heck of a lot. Like I said, this trial lasted forever, and there was so many expert witnesses. We have ballistic witnesses that talk about the gunfire, and there's just so much. The things we learn in this trial, the planning that went in to all of this, it's going to absolutely blow your mind. So we are going to go ahead and get into all of the trial happenings. So we're going to start with openings first. And this is a wild ride. So the prosecution starts with their opening statements. So these are the opening highlights from the state. So they said that Chris Roden sor was the one who was the intended target. They said that Gary Roden was killed simply because he was just there and the rest of the family were murdered because they knew things, They knew secrets and they could potentially tie it back to the Wagner family being involved. All of the victims except for three of them, Dana, Gary, and Chris Senior, were. Killed in their sleep. The state said that the idea to kill Hannah first came from Billy Wagner and Jake initially said no to it, but he was encouraged to do so by his parents, and they had originally planned to kill Hannah n Corey to make it look like Corey did a murder suicide. They said that the killings have in one night. The state claimed that Billy had intentionally left his phone at Angela Wagner's house that night of the murders, and he went to speak with Chris Senior to talk about a drug deal because they did grow pot together and they sold it, so they were already kind of dealings with drugs together when Billy arrived to Chris Senior's trailer that night. When he got there, he asked Chris to call his cell. Phone because he had quote unquote lost it and was trying to find it. So when Chris called Billy's cell phone, Angela answered it because Billy had left it at home with Angela. And the whole reason that Billy did this is so he could have an alibi to say that he was at home with Angela where his cell phone was at the time of the murders. This guy is so methodical in his planning, although he didn't do a really good job because he ended up getting caught, and then they went on to talk about Hannah getting pregnant by Jake when she was only fifteen years old, and that pretty much immediately once Hannah became pregnant, Jake and his family were plotting to eventually get primary and full custody of her, and Angela had like this really weird obsession and wanted Sophia, Jake's daughter, to call Angela mom. It is all just so bizarre, the obsession that Angela seemed to have like with her kids, and then the control that she wanted to have over her grandkids. And there were a lot of fights that. Went on in the Wagner family home between Hannah and the Wagoners, and some of them became physical, and Hannah ended up breaking up with Jake. In twenty fifteen. And then they talked about the message that Hannah had sent to somebody saying that they're going to have to kill me first before she would hand over custody of Sophia willingly. And then the state went on to say that Angela Wagner happed into Hannah's social media and knew kind of where Hannah's mind was. The State and Prosecution then lays out the crime scenes. They talk about how there are four murder homicide scenes. At the first one, we have Chris Senior and Gary Rodin, who was found by a family member. That family member then goes next door to Frankie's house to let Frankie know what's going on, and she is greeted by a child who said that his parents are playing zombie. And then they find Frankie and Hannah Hazel Gilly while her infant son lay next to her and the three year old is trying to figure out what is going on with his parents. Just awful, awful, awful. Then they talk about the next crime scene, which is the I'm seen of Dana Rodin, Hannah Rodin, and Chris Junior, and they found Dana shot. She had a pillow over her head. The state said that Jake Wagner shot her. She was awake playing on her cell phone after she had worked a double shift at her nursing job, and then Jake went and shot and killed Hannah and Chris Junior. Apparently, the state is saying. That Hannah had woken up and she was kind of in a state of fog and saw Jake standing in the doorway but didn't realize it was him, and then he opened fire and killed her. And at that point in time, she was nursing her newborn baby, baby Kylie, and I believe she was nursing at the time when she had woken up and seen Jake standing in. The doorway, and then he ended up killing her. So he ended up repositioning her body after he killed her so she could still nurse her baby. This is not a rational human at all. The baby, of course, was not harmed. Jake then went into Dana's room and shot her several more times and. Put apillo over her head. Then he went and killed Chris Junior, and then the whole crew of them traveled to Kenneth Roden's house and killed him because he would know that it was the Wagners who carried out the axe. He is the one who was shot through the eye while he slept. Just horrific people to even do anything like this. They then go on to talk about the shell casings, and they were able to compare the shell casings that were found at the various crime scenes with shell casings that were on the Wagner family property. Because they always used. Different guns at their property for target practice and They said that, just like fingerprints, gun barrels and firing pins leave one of a kind traces on shells, and they were able to match those back to the Wagners. The gun that was in question was used to kill Chris Junior, Hannah and Dana per the State. Then they talk about the murder weapons and they say that the guns that were used to kill the Rodents were placed in buckets of concrete and gifted to a member of the Wagner family on Father's Day as boat anchors. This family member had no idea that this was the case, and the anchors later would be cut from a rope on a boat and dropped into a pond, and Jake Wagner is the one that confessed to the state that they were at the bottom of the pond and they got a search warrant and they found the blocks of water and they found the murder weapons inside. These people planned this stuff out and there's no denying it because the weapons match the showcasing markings to a t, just like fingerprints. They go on to talk about the Walmart shoes. They said that they planned these murders so much in advance that they bought quote unquote murders shoes from Walmart for the purpose of committing these crimes and then disposing of them. And they talked about the bloody shoe prints. One of the prints was traced back to a shoe that was only sold Walmart. And then they got a search warrant on a storage trailer that was owned by the Wagners, and they discovered a Walmart receipt for said shoes. And who's the one who went and bought the shoes at Walmart per video surveillance, none other than Angela Wagner. It all connects, guys, It every bit of this connects. Then they talk about listing devices that the state had placed using warrants inside the vehicles that were driven by the Wagners, and they picked up some different conversations, but they really picked up very minimal amounts of things because the family was always very paranoid and on high alert that they were being ease dropped on. Then it gets why, so they bring up Norman Ritas. If you guys don't know who Norman Ritas is, he is an actor. He was on The Walking Dead. Well, Jake Wagner was obsessed and idolized Norman Ritas and Jake would cut and dye his hair to look like Norman Ritas, and he also carried out the murders like scenes from a movie that Norman ritis was in called Boondock, Saints and the Walking Dead, which I just referenced. And they said that there was evidence on Jake Wagner's cell phone that shows that he watched a murder scene from the Saints movie before he went and committed these crimes. In which two brothers kill others. Basically meaning George Wagner and Jake Wagner are working together as brothers to kill this family. It's just like what was in the movie. So bizarre his upsides with Norman Ritas. When you see pictures of him from like right after the murders, he does resemble Norman Ritas with his haircut and his hair collar and everything. And then they talk about how Billy and Angela Wagner had been talking one night after the murders and Billy said to Angela that George was having some nightmares about the murders, and Angela said, well, I don't know why he's having nightmares. He's not the one that killed anybody. And this is basically Angela confessing to these murders. And this is very. Much going to be the angle that the defense is going to use to try to get George off, because George. Was just an innocent victim and all of this. He was just brought into this by his family. He was just going along with the plan, and they're going to try to spin the fact that George didn't kill anybody. So that is the defense's angle, and we're now going to get into the defense and they're opening arguments and we're going to go from there. So the defense's angle was very much that George was just. A pawn in all of this, and. They told the jurors that Jake is going to testify that his brother George did not shoot or kill anybody, and that the murders were not George's idea and he wasn't part of it, he didn't help plan it. They very much wanted to paint a picture that George was different from all of his family and that he was not a part of this, and that Angela Wagner and Jake Wagner both have accepted plea deals and that they are going to do anything they can. To save themselves. The defense then laid out everyone's motives during the opening statement, and that was Angela's motive was because she believed Sophia was being molested by somebody in the road and family. Jake's motive was jealousy and the custody of his daughter, and Billy's motive was drugs. And by this George had no motive and that is why he was not involved and he did not kill anybody. They then closed out the. Opening statements basically saying that the evidence is going to show that Jake Wagner is the one who killed all eight people, and that George Wagner should not be charged with murder or face the death penalty or life in prison because he was not involved. So there very much the defense is going to be portraying this angle that George Wagner simply just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He did not plan out or do any of the eight killings, and that it was all Jake Wagner's plan and he just kind. Of was along for the ride, so to say. So that is kind of where the opening statements start and end. The first witness up in the trial was Bobby Joe Manley, who was Dana Rhaden's sister and also the ex sister in law of Chris Roden Senior and the one that happened upon Chris Senior and Gary Roden's body on that day, and then went next door and found Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel Gilly. So she testified to the reason that she was at the house that morning, how things just seemed a little off because the door wasn't open, she let herself in, she found the bodies. She thought that they had been drugged to a back bedroom because you could see that there was drag marks on the floor, and then she went next door to try to alert Frankie as to what was going on, and that is when she unfortunately found Frankie and Hannah. During cross examination, they asked her how long she had worked for Chris Senior, and she said that she had gone there for a few years and she would help him with the chickens, feeding them, caring for them and all of that. And they then asked her about the rumors that had been circulating about Chris being involved in some illegal cockfighting and different drug deals, and she said she did not know anything about that, but she said there was some chickens there and she would feed them. That was part of what she did to help Chris Senior out. The defense then went on to ask Bobby Joe if she ever saw Jake Wagner visiting Chris's house, and she said that she had seen him there a few times. And they asked her if she knew about any illegal drug deals that Chris Senior was involved in, and they asked about marijuana growing operations and different trips to Mexico that allegedly had been taken, and she said she did not know about anything that happened out of the country, but she did say that sometimes Chris would leave for several days and Chris did have security cameras at his property. The second witness that was called was a man and named Billy Morgan. He was with Bobby Joe Manley the day that she found the bodies. They are friends. So his testimony is kind. Of all over the place because he seemed to be pretty poorly educated, I guess is the best way for me to put it. He said that he didn't know how to read or how to write, and that he didn't know exactly how old he was, but that he was born in the nineteen seventies. He said that he had known Chris Rodin for only about a month and had worked for him doing odd jobs. They asked him about any type of knowledge of drug activity that Christopher Roden Senior was involved in. He said he didn't know of any illegal activity, but sometimes he smelled weed on the property when he walked by, but he never really thought anything of it, and he told prosecutors that he did not know what pot looked like. Even if he had seen it, he would not have known. When they did the cross examination, he said that he saw Billy Wagner at one point and visit Chris Rodent a few times, and that Chris and Billy would go out into. The truck and they would talk. He testified that after he found out about Frankie and Hannah and Chris and Gary, that he was called to go to Dana's house to tell her what had happened, and when he arrived, he found that the door was open, and then he found Dana on her bed with a pillow over her face, and he talked about the other people that he found there as well. And during the cross examination, the defense very much was still going for this. Do you know anything about any drug activity, illegal drug activity, cock fighting that the Rodents were involved in, and would also go on to ask if James knew the Wagners, and that was pretty much it for that witness. The next witness up is Sergeant Jonathan Chandler. He is with the Pike County Sheriff's Office and he was a deputy with the Sheriff's office for about a year in twenty sixteen, and he was the first deputy that was dispatched to the multiple homicides. He goes on to say that he was initially dispatched to the home of Chris Rodin Senior, but before he could make it there, he was flagged down by several people at the house next door, which was the home of Frankie Rodin, and the family had said there are two kids inside and two people are deceased. He said that the baby inside of Frankie and Hannah's home was covered from head to toe in blood and that the blood on the toddler did not belong to either of the children, but it was that of the baby and the toddler's parents, Hannah and Frankie, that were inside. He also said that Frankie had bruising end, gunshot wounds to his head. He worked a super long day that day and worked from seven am to two am, and he said one of the last things he did before he went home was he went to Dana Rodent's house and he helped the agents remove the three bodies from the home. That is, the bodies of Dana, Christopher Junior, and Hannah. Now, they did ask him about the shoes he was wearing, and this was one of the things that they consistently did anybody that went to the crime scene that day, They talked about the shoes that they were wearing because it is going to play a role later when we talk about the bloody shoe prints that are going to be brought up as part of the evidence against the Wagner family. The last witness of the day was a paramedic named Justin Wearing, who was called He testified that he was the first EMM crew on the scene of the homicides and when they were initially dispatched, it was a call that was placed as assaults, but when he arrived they realize that the people at the scenes were deceased. The defense asked him if the bodies had rigamortis, and he said he didn't know because he didn't touch the bodies, he did not examine the bodies, and that was not in his field of practice. So that was it for. Day two of testimony, and that is where we are going to call it for this episode. The next episode is going to be all trial happenings. If there's anything that isn't super important in the case, I'm probably not going to go over it because we're talking about months of trial stuff that I'm having to go through here. So there are. A lot of witnesses that I can probably summarize pretty quickly, so I am going to be doing that. But we are officially in the trial happenings and we are going to try to get through it as efficiently and quickly as we can while still giving all of the important necessary details in this whole trial. So join me for part three of this story. Next week, I am going to be talking a lot more trial happenings, getting into some really interesting witnesses, and we are going to take it from there. So I will see you guys on Thursday night for a brand new Unsolved Case, and next week for episode three of summer series twenty twenty five, Have a good one bye,