Summer Series 2025: Pike County Massacre: Part 3

Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five The Roden Family Murders, also known as the Pike County Masker. We're going to be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior, Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin, and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Okay, guys, today we are jumping in to part three of Summer Series twenty twenty five, The Roden Family Murders. We are going to be talking about more trial happenings today. Now, remember this trial was extremely long. There was a ton of witnesses both professional and personal, for the prosecution and the defense. Jake Wagner ends up testifying, and George Wagner, the fourth the defendant, also testified on his behalf. I will be playing their testimony when I get to that part of the trial. So a lot of this I'm going to try to summer day by day. I'm going to do my best to not be redundant, but there is a lot of overlap because we have a lot of witnesses. Now, although the trial was recorded and streamed, a lot of witnesses did not want to be filmed. However, their testimony was recorded. I'm going to do my best to try and summarize it and get everything in a nice orderly fashion. But there is a lot of information that I am trying to present here, and there is a ton going on. It's also important to remember that eight homicides occurred here, So obviously there's going to be a lot of evidence and a lot of different crime scenes, and there's a lot of different dynamics between these eight people and the Wagner family, And in order for the state to prove their case, they really have to break down the dynamics of everyone's relationships and the reason why the Wagner family carried out this murder on these eight people of the road and family. So first up in the next day of test money is a paramedic named Darryl Hart. He was on the scene that day of the trailer home of Dana Rodin. He speaks on the baby who was found. Now, this was Hannah's baby, Kylie, who was breastfeeding at the time that Hannah was murdered. He described the baby as sluggish and pink in color. However, she was responding normally and upon arrival she was assessed by medical personnel and although her two saturation was low, she was not harmed. He also stated that he knew Dana Rodin because she also worked in the medical field, and that she was a nice person from his interactions with her. The defense did not cross examine this particular witness. The next witness was a Rodin family cousin named Donald Stone. Now, Donald was one of the people who found Kenneth Roden's body. Kenneth is assumed to have been murdered because he would have known it was the Wagners who carried out the murders. Basically, he was killed because he knew too much. This witness was shown photos of the crime scene and Kenneth's body, and he did become emotional. Now, if you remember, Kenneth was found shot in the eye with money surrounding his body. On a cross exam, they asked Donald about the layout of Kenneth's trailer and they released him as a witness. The next witness is Luke Roden, who was the son of Kenneth and was with Donald Stone when Kenneth's body was discovered. He said that he had spoken to his dad the night before the murders and they had discussed Luke going to get his CDL. Kenneth had sent Luke some money to enroll in a truck and company and had called to confirm that Luke received the money. They asked Luke about the marijuana growing situation, and Luke said that he did know about it and even at times he would help tend to some of the plants on his dad's property. He said that he was first alerted about the murders by his mom, who said that Chris Rodin's senior and everybody had been murdered. He then went to the property and was sent away by law enforcement. Everyone then gathered at a church and then he and Dawn old Winter check on his dad and that is when they found out that he had been murdered as well. He was asked if he knew anything about the cameras on his dad's property, and he said that he knew that his dad had put cameras up for security purposes, but those cameras had been deactivated according to the state prior to the murders. On Cross Exam They went on to question him more about the pod growing business, and he said that the plants would grow at Kenneth's property for about ninety days and then they would be harvested and transported to Chris Senior's property, where he would then go on to sell them for a profit. Luke had said that Kenneth wanted to get out of the pot growing business altogether and that he was going to turn all of those things over to Gary Rodin, who often acted as a middleman in the drug dealing of it all. They then asked during redirect for Luke to point out the defendant, George Wagner the Fourth, and he pointed him out in court and they asked if he had looked the same as he did six years prior, and he said that he pretty much did, however, he had lost some weight. Next up was a Rowdin family friend named Brett Hartfield, and he actually worked with Kenneth. So the day that the Rodin family's bodies were found, Brett had gone to Ken's house to pick him up for work, and when he pulled up, he noticed that there were no lights on in the house and he just assumed that Kenneth wasn't feeling well, because it wasn't super uncommon for Ken to call out of work due to blood pressure issues and not feeling well. So Brent went ahead and left and didn't attempt to make any contact with Kenneth. Little did he know that Kenneth had already been murdered at this point in time. Brett said that he knew of the drug operation that was going on between Chris Rhaden Senior and Billy Wagner, and that they had been working on things together and they would often travel for these drug related reasons. And after Chris road And Senior and the rest of the Rodents were murdered, Billy Wagner said that there was a local man named Skid Montgomery who had murdered the Rodin family because Skid was being cut out of the drug operation by Billy and Chris Sr. However, the state said that this was not true. The next piece of evidence that was brought in by the state was essentially the smoking gun, which was a bloody shoeprint that was at one of the crime scenes. Now, if you remember, at Chris Rodin Senior's house, he and his cousin Gary were both found deceeased, and it looked like their bodies had been dragged from the living room, through the kitchen and into the back bedroom after they had already been shot and killed. And in this that left streaks of blood on the floor, which then left the shoeprint that we are now going to talk about. And the shoeprint was very distinct and it was able to be tied back to the Wagner family, and we kind of touched on it a little bit earlier. We had heard from a BCI agent who had testified about some of the bullet holes that were in the living room on the front porch, and then they talked about some of the blood patterns, and they talked very in depth about the shoeprint. Now, each investigator that was present on the scenes that day were asked on the stand about the shoes that they were wearing, because they basically wanted under oath for them to say I was wearing this type of shoe and that law enforcement was able to rule out that the shoe print that was found was made by anyone else besides the killers. Now, if you remember, there was a Walmart receipt that was found for two pairs of shoes and it was placed in a box that had a note on it that said important Things, and it was confirmed that Angela Wagner is the one who wrote the important things note and placed it on the shoe box. Investigators were able to go back and look at this Walmart receipt. They then went to that Walmart. They were able to obtain security camera video from that day and they for a fact saw Angela Wagner buying these two different pairs of shoes and it was the same shoe that matched the bloody shoeprint that was found at one of the scenes. Now, the shoes themselves were never found, and Jake Wagner would later confess that he burned them with his family after the crimes were committed. It's obvious that the Wagner family did everything in their power to try to hide their tracks, except they did forget a few things like receipts and video footage. They exist. So, of course, during the trial there was multiple crime scene photos shown. Autopsy photos were shown because the state is trying to prove their case and a big part of this case is the victims and the ballistics and the blood and the fact that they were brutally murdered via gunfire. But the defense was trying to do everything they could to put a stop to it. So they ended up on day eight calling for a mistrial, and they basically said that the jury was being exposed to graphic crime scene images autopsy photos, and they wanted the judge to dismiss the case against George Wagner the fourth Now, obviously, the state had their own argument and said that it was necessary to show the photos in order to let the jury know what had happened during these homicides, and everything that they were doing would make sense when Jake Wagner would come up to testify in the trial. Now, the judge thankfully had some sense in his head and denied the defense motion to Declaremus's trial. So testimony continued on to the next witness. It was a woman named doctor Karen Luhman who had conducted the autopsies of all EID victims in twenty sixteen. So they went through all the different autopsies and they first focused on Hannah Gilly and Frankie Rodin. So Hannah had gunshot wounds to her head. A total of five gunshot wounds were found. The first bullet was shot and went through her left eye. Four of the bullets in her body did not have exit wounds, and the fifth one had a partial exit wound. Frankie Rodin had been shot three times and his eyes were blackened, and she said the reason that his eyes were blackened was caused by the gunshot wounds, because blood in his head was coming to the front after he was shot. He was shot in his left temple, once by his left ear, and once in the cheek, and all the bullets were still lodged inside of his head. These were just awful, awful murders. She then goes on to talk about one of the other autopsies, the ones of Dana Rodin, Chris Rodin Junior, and Hannah Rodin. Again, they were all found in the same home and they had all been shot while they were asleep in their beds. She said all three victims were shot with the same gun, but it was a different gun than was used to kill the other five victims. Dana was shot a total of five times. The first shot was to her left forehead, which was done in very close proximity, and she knew this because Dana's skin had signs of gunpowder on it. The second shot was to the right forehead, and the third was to the center forehead, The fourth was right above her ear, and the fifth was along her right shin. Hannah Rodin was only shot two times and both of them were shot to the head. Chris Rodin Junior was shot four times while he was lying in bed. It is believed that he was sleeping and didn't even flinch, so he probably didn't even know what had him. One of the bullets had caused a complete fracture to Chris Rodin Junior's skull. They then talked about Kenneth Roden's autopsy and doctor Karen Luhmann testified that Kenneth was shot once in the eye and she believed that he was asleep because the gunshot to his eye basically went through his eyelids, and she said she believed that he was shot within three feet, but thought that it might have been a lot closer because there was gunpowder also found on his face. She also said that there was no indication that he moved after he was shot, which likely means that he was killed instantly, again he didn't even know what happened. The next witness up was a man named Matthew White, who is a firearms expert. He went over the different type of guns and also said that the bullets recovered from inside the victims met the characteristics of the firearms that they believe were used to kill the road In family. Now, there was a lot of shell casings that were picked up from the crime scenes, but there was also some that were left behind, and like I said earlier in an earlier episode, they were able to tie these back to the Wagner family because the Wagner family often did target practice on their property, and they were able to match the shellcasings from the crime scenes to the shell casings at the Wagner property, and this is a big part of their case, not only the foot prints, but the shell casings. He went on to testify that one of the guns used to kill Chris Roadin Senior was the same gun that they used to kill Kenneth Roden and Gary Roden. Next up to testify was a shoe expert named Suzanne Elliott, and she testified that the shoe prints that were found at two of the four murder scenes were shoe sizes ten and a half and eleven. And of course, like I said earlier, they had the evidence that Angela Wagner went to Walmart bought the shoes. They have a video of her buying the shoes, and she said that once she got home with the shoes, the boys decided they didn't like them and they didn't want them. But when they were initially questioned about it, the boy said they never even saw the shoes that she had bought for them. Now, interestingly enough, Leonard Manly, who was Bobby Joe and Dana's father, also had this exact same type of shoe. However, his was a size ten. Now, his shoes were tested for blood the day after the murders and there was no sign of blood found anywhere on his shoes. It was simply just a coincidence that he had the exact same shoe. Now, Unfortunately, Leonard Manley passed away before the trial could get underway, so he never got to see justice for his daughter and the family. So at this point, the state had not come forward with what shoe sizes the Wagner family wore, although I really don't think this is super important at least in my opinion, because they intentionally bought two different shoe sizes, so they could have even bought shoe sizes that weren't necessarily their shoe sizes in order to throw off the trail, so they wouldn't know what direction to go in in looking for who these shoes could belong to. And despite everything, the witness was not able to say that without a shadow of a doubt that the Wagner family is the ones who had worn these shoes to the murder scene that day, although I think that things are pretty clear, at least in my opinion, that they were the ones wearing these shoes at the murder scenes that day, because this is only one little speck of evidence that we have to point to the Wagner family. Next up was a bciphone records expert named Julia, and she went through all the different phone activity amongst the victims and it was reported that Hannah may Rodin was in contact via text messages with Jake Wagner the night of the murders, with the last text message being around nine pm that night, and they also discovered that Dana Roden's last phone activity was around three thirty am, Frankie Rhoden's last phone activity was around ten thirty pm, and Hannah Hazel Gilly's last one activity was around one am. This is all the night that they were killed. Kenneth Roden had at last used his phone at nine forty one pm the night that he was killed. And although Gary Roden did not own a cell phone, there was two cell phones that Chris Rowden Senior had and on one of his phones, his last activity was a phone call to Billy Wagner. Now, if you remember earlier, Billy Wagner had gone to Chris's house and said, oh my gosh, I forgot my phone. Can you call it so I can make sure that it's at home, And that was the phone call that Angela Wagner allegedly picked up. And he did this to make it seem like he wasn't the one who was there at the scene. So although I think in the Wagner's heads you really thought it through because he left his cell phone at home so it couldn't track him to the Rodent home, he was so dumb in saying, hey, call my cell phone, and they were able to extract that and get that information. That was a last phone call that Chris Roden Senior made before he was murdered. So despite very much trying to cover their tracks, they very much left themselves a paper trail of evidence, or I guess we could call it maybe a cell phone trail of evidence. They weren't able to recover any of the cell phones physically except for that of Frankie Rodent, and they weren't able to access any text messages from any of the phones because AT and T doesn't transmit that type of data, which I think they should maybe they do now, but back when this investigation and everything was ongoing, they were not able to transmit that type of data. But they were able to get the callogs, which I think is very helpful in putting this case together and piece seeing every little clue together and putting together a timeline for the night that the Rowdin family was murdered. The next witness up was a man who was the lead BCI agent, and he kind of talked about the initial stages of the investigation, and he said, at one point they got some security camera footage from neighbors that lived near Kenneth Roden, and in one of the videos there was a couple of vehicles that could be seen driving up and down the roads at the same time that the road and family murders allegedly happened. So at one thirty six am, there was a vehicle leaving the area of the crime scenes on Union Hill Road. At two am there was a vehicle scene driving off of seven seventy two down Union Hill Road towards the crime scenes. At two twenty nine am, there's a vehicle seen driving towards Kenneth Roden's camper. At two forty one am there's two vehicles leaving the area of the crime scene, and at two fifty one there's a vehicle scene driving towards Kenneth Roden's camper. And at three ten there's a vehicle scene driving away from Kenneth Roden's camper, and at three nineteen am there are two vehicles driving down Union Hill Road towards the crime scenes. Now, there's absolutely no way for them to know who is driving these vehicles because it is dark and they're security camera footage, so it's not really the greatest footage ever and they were really unable to make out the make and model of the vehicles. But it's not really a coincidence in my opinion, that all of this action is going on at the exact time that these murders are happening. Or that these murders are allegedly happening. So I definitely think in some way, shape or form, this is related to the road and family murders, and those were probably the vehicles of the Wagner family going back and forth from crime scene to crime scene. Next witness we heard from was a man named Jeff Tackett, and he was a friend of Billy Wagner's and Jeff had at one point worked at the Flying w Farms, which is the farm that was owned by Billy's parents. Jeff went on to say that he was an informant for BCI and he would wear a wire after the murders to try and get evidence out of the Wagner family. And he said each time he did this he was paid one hundred dollars and he went and spoke with them about five times after the murders. He also testified that Billy Wagner and Chris Roden were blood brothers and they even at one point pricked their fingers and touched their fingers together so that way they would be blood brothers. And he went on to testify that Billy Wagner would often shoplift from the Dollar Store, which is the lowest of the low. If you're going to shoplift, at least do something a little more high end than the dollar store. That just tells you what kind of person Billy Wagner is. I also do not condone shoplifting in any way, shape or form. But Jeff would go on to say that Billy would wear this big coat and that is how he was able to shoplift, because he would just put the items in this big coat and then walk out, And Jeff said it made him and Chris Road and Senior very uncomfortable that Billy was a chronic shoplifter and that he had done this a lot. Jeff then went on to testify that one time he had told him that he had gone to Mexico and shot a bunch of people. And there was also an incident where he and Angela had some boots that were in the back of their vehicle and they were selling them at the fairgrounds and they ended up getting caught. I'm sure that the merchandise was stolen, that is just my opinion, and they ended up being arrested, and Billy told Jeff that there's no way that Angelo would ever turn her back on him, which I think is such an important component of this case because the Wagner family loyalties were pretty deep prior to the murders and immediately following the murders, but things started to shift very very quickly as soon as they got caught. Now, Jeff went on to testify that he saw the Rodent family had been murdered on TV and he immediately called Billy, but Billy did not answer, But Jeff thought had a nagging suspicion that Billy was involved, so he went ahead and called the tip line and left a message, and it was then in September that he sat down with BCI agents and agreed to go undercover and wear a wire. Jeff then went on to testify that Billy and the Wagner family had committed arson at least three separate times, and one of these times Billy had told his sons to use a turkey baser to catch the house on fire, and with that Billy Wagner was able to receive two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in insurance money. So they were stam artists through and through. That is the biggest type of fraud you can commit, insurance fraud, and it looks like the Wagners did it quite frequently for money. Okay, buckle up. We are now going to hear from Tabitha Claytor, who was George Wagner the Force ex wife and the mother of his child. We've talked about her a little bit in one of the first episodes where I gave kind of the rundown of everything. So she testified that she married George Wagner the fourth in twenty twelve, right after she had graduated high school. And she said that in the midst of their relationship, she and George Wagner had been in a custody battle over their son, who was born in twenty and thirteen. She testified that while she was married to Angela, his mother was very controlling of him and their relationship. She said she lived with the Wagner family while she was pregnant with their son, and after she gave birth. She testified that Angela would come sit on their bed and basically give them instructions on what type of sexual relations they could have. Although they were a married couple. Angela Wagner told them that they could not have oral sex because it was sinful and they would go to hell. But on the other hand, Angela Wagner is complicent in planning a mass murder, so make that make any amount of sense. She then went on to testify that Angela would come into their room every night and basically kick Tabitha out of the room so she could sit on the bed and scratch George's back and talk about his day. And if that isn't some weird stuff, I don't know what is. It is so bizarre that a mother is having that type of relationship with her son, and it really just makes me question a lot of things. The couple's son was not allowed to sleep in the room with them or in his own crib, and Tabitha said that Angela demanded and ordered the child to sleep in bed with Angela and Billy each night. Now, again, that is super bizarre to me. I don't understand why you want to have that type of control. Tabitha then goes on to say that she did have an affair because obviously her life was crazy as hell, and I never condone cheating, but in this case, I can understand what drove her to it, one hundred percent understand. And from there, the Wagner family found out about the affair. They ended up taking her cell phone away and they basically held her hostage inside of the home where she was living with the Wagners. She also said that she was worried that Angela was going to harm her and that she did have some thoughts that Angela was going to try and shoot her. Tabitha's mom was also kept from meeting her grandson until he was eighteen months old. Tabitha went on to talk about the day where she officially left George Wagner the fourth and this was in November of twenty fourteen, and she said this day that George had begun beating her with a bell and she had some back and forth with Angela and she ended up biting George and grabbing his groin and then running out of the house. And of course, because Angela Wagner can't mind her own business, she became involved and through way two by four at Tabitha and threatened her with a gun. And this is the incident where she ended up having to hide until they stopped looking for her. And then she got on her bike and rode to a gas station and called her mom, and she never went back to the Wagner family home after that night, so they ended up divorcing in January of twenty fifteen. George Wagner kept the Sun from Tabitha and basically kept him from having any interaction with him, and then following that, they agreed to a fifty to fifty custody agreement, but she said that he would rarely comply with that, And then after the family committed a heinous mass murder and decided to move to Alaska, he never let Tabitha know that he was actually moving and taking the child with him, And thankfully Tabitha was able to regain full custody following the Wagners being arrested in twenty eighteen. And shout out to Tabitha for coming forward whip her testimony. She is strong to come forward and share her story. It can't be easy. She was young, She was in a horrible way living with the Wagner family. It was coercive control in its best. They used her son against her, They manipulated her, and she was young, so she didn't know any better. And once she finally realized what was happening, she got out. And I think that that is so so important in this case, because she very much paints a parallel between what happened to her and what happened with Hannah and Jake Wagner, because at one point, Hannah Rodin was living with the Wagner family, and I'm sure this is the exact same stuff that she was going through with the Wagner family. And it also goes to show you that the Wagner family is going to do everything in their power to try and keep control over a situation no matter what. So Tabitha h in my opinion, was one of the star witnesses of this trial because she really painted a picture for the jury of what life was like inside of the Wagner family residence for people that weren't a direct part of the Wagner family. They kept her there, they isolated her from her family, they used her child against her, They controlled her in every way, shape and form and aspect of life. And I am so glad that she was able to get out and physically that she was okay, but I can't imagine the mental anguish that she has probably had to deal with following all of this. And at the end of the day, George Wagner the fourth is still her son's father. And I know that has to be super super hard on her. So I commend her so much for her testimony and for being a strong woman and for getting out of that relationship and leaving the Wagner family behind. One of the next witnesses was a man named John Jenkins, and he was a special agent. He was one of the first people on the cases, and one of his assignments was the Frankie and Hannah Hazel Gilly crime scene. So he goes on to talk about the initial steps and the investigation and how they obviously wanted to talk to people that were close with the family, and they knew that Billy Wagner was the grandfather of Sophia Wagner and they thought he would be a really really good place to start. And they also started having some tips come in and there was some chatter about maybe the murders being related to a custody battle between the Rodent and the Wagner family. But they were having a hard time getting a hold of Billy Wagner and he was kind of always going from one place to another, so he was really really hard to track down. But it took a long time to do it, but they were eventually able to track him down and they did a sit down interview with him. Now, when they finally did track him down, he was at a Kroger buying groceries for his dad who was failing in health and he was basically his caregiver. So he went to the parking lot of Kroger to meet Billy Wagner and they have a conversation in the car in the Kroger parking lot. That is how desperate they were to talk to Billy Wagner about what had happened. Now, this interview didn't happen until September of twenty sixteen, and you would think Billy Wagner, being best friends with Chris Roaden Senior, would want to do everything he could to cooperate in the investigation. But yeah, it wasn't until September of twenty sixteen that they finally were able to track him down and sit with him in the Kroger parking lot. So they did this interview in the parking lot in the car, and the interview lasted an hour and forty three minutes, which is just wild. I'm sure Billy Wagner had a lot to say, and they play the interview for the jury at this point in time, and interestingly enough, in the beginning of this interview, Billy very much defends Chris Roadin Senior and says, all of the stuff they're saying about Chris is a lie. He would do anything for anybody. He would give you the shirt off of his back. Because I guess there had been a lot of local chatter about Chris road And Senior being involved in the weed business and people were talking poorly about him because of that, and the investigator let him know that they didn't really care about the weed. They really don't care if Billy Wagner was involved in the whole weed of it all. That wasn't really on their radar and that wasn't really important to them. They were just trying to get down to who did this and why. Billy goes on to say that he talked to Chris road And Senior every day and that he was his best friend, and Chris was a really good guy and would do anything for anybody. But he did go on to say that he wasn't a saint, but that he would never hurt anybody. He said that they were opposites. Billy Wagner said, Chris Roadin Senior didn't tell anybody anything. He kept his business to himself. He didn't go around boasting about different things. And during this interview, Billy Wagner also throws out a whole bunch of names of people that were people that Chris knew or had dealings with. And obviously, now in hindsight, we realized that he's doing this to kind of throw the scent off and divert attention away from him. He said, the last time he talked with Chris Rowdin Senior, he seemed okay, and that was the night before the murder. He said he called him at eight or nine that night, and it was him and Sophie, the granddaughter, and that Sophie wanted to tell him good night and that she loved him, and they talked a little bit, and then the next morning is when the family was found murdered. They then asked Billy about a fight that he and Chris got into a week or two before the murders, and that Billy allegedly pulled a gun on him, and Billy said, no, that didn't happen, and there was just a lot of rumors and speculations surrounding he and his family and he was happy to clear anything up any questions they might have had. So honestly, I think as much as it seems Billy is keeping his composure during this interview, he is probably losing his mind that the walls are finally closing in on he and his family. He also briefly talks about the relationship between Hannah Rodin and Jake Wagner and Sophia, their granddaughter. And it's interesting to think about Billy Wagner and Chris Roden Senior shared a grandchild. Sophia was their grandchild, and the fact that he so brazenly planned and committed these crimes against the Wagner family is just so astonishing to me when you really think about it, how these families were intertwined. These were not people that were casual acquaintances. Billy and Chris were best friends, they shared a grandchild, and it is just absolutely wild to me that he did all of this. And then during this interview he is constantly deflecting, throwing out a billion and a half names, basically trying to deflect from he and his family. He talks a lot about the drugs of it all, and pill mills and cock fighting and all the different things that Chris Roden Senior was involved in, although Billy Wagner was also involved in those things because they were best friends and they did a lot together. So the whole interview is really really hard at points to understand because Billy talks like he has marvels in his mouth, and there's a lot of it that's jarbled and you really can't understand what he's saying. But I think from a standpoint of painting a picture of what was going on with the Wagner family at this time and how they were feeling about things, it's very apparent in this interview that he was doing everything he could to try and deflect from exactly what was going on. The next witness up goes through some different messages, Facebook messages, messenger messages, and there's a message from a friend of Hannah's asking if she could hang out, and Hannah said, I don't know, I am not at my house. I'm living with Jake, which again I think just plays to the fact that they were very controlling of everything that Hannah did, just like they were controlling of everything Tabitha did. There is a conversation that Hannah then was having with somebody named Zach and they are talking about Jake Wagner, and she said that she had been with him for almost five years and she's at the point where she can't stand him, saying that they really aren't together, but he wants to try to take Sophia away from me, and basically Jake has her at the moment because they're going to the Newport Aquarium. She says she's been pretty depressed lately and has wanted to do some stupid stuff, but she has Sophia, and Sophia is the one that stops her from doing anything like that, which basically Hannah is alluding to the fact that she has kind of thought about suicide and taking her own life because of the situation that she's in with the Wagoners, and that is so so sad to me because she is so young and she was so controlled, just like Tabitha was controlled in that same situation. Kennah then goes on to say he's extremely controlling and doesn't even let her leave to go visit her parents or her brothers, and she says she hasn't seen Grandma rode In in forever because of Jake. The next conversation thread we see is June seventeenth of twenty fifteen. And this has been between Hannah Rodent and Tess. Now Tess is Tabitha's mom, and we know Tabitha, we love Tabitha. Tabitha is George Wagner, the Fort's ex wife. So Hannah is telling Tess that they want me to sign Sophie over and it's not going to happen. And Tess said, don't do what Tabby did. And she said I tried to get her to listen to me and she wouldn't. And Hannah said, I'm not. Sophie is my entire world. So the conversation continues into the next day and Hannah says, I know how they are. I was in their family for five years. I know how it is to have children with one of them. I won't sign papers and they will not be able to prove that I'm an unfit mother. I won't lose Sophia. I just got a new house that's bigger, with more rooms, and there's not going to be any way that they can tell me I'm not an unfit mother. And Tess said, that's good. I've dealt with them for years. Don't believe anything that family says, take your baby back and tell them to go f themselves. Hannah says, I won't sign papers. Ever, it won't happen. They'll have to kill me first, which is so freaking sad, knowing what we know now that Hannah lost her life because these people were so hell bent on keeping custody of Sophia for no reason other than because they are controlling a holes. It just completely blows my mind that they have this text message thread and those are literally Hannah's words, They'll have to kill me first. So that is where we are going to leave off for part three. We still have a heck of a lot more to go. When George Wagner the Fourth testifies on his behalf and the ever so mighty Jake Wagner comes up to testify. I am going to be playing their testimony because it is so interesting to me and so telling, and I think it's interesting to hear it from their mouth everything that allegedly went down. But I just think it's really sad that this whole family was destroyed by a family that was very close to them, people that they thought they could trust, that were their friends. But I guess with friends like that, who needs enemies. Right. So that is Part three. Stay tuned for Part four. Like I said, we still have a lot more to cover, a lot more to talk about. But as you can see, the case against the Wagner family in this case, George Wagner, the fourth is really taking whole taking shape, and I think we already can tell what is going on here, what happened, and the evidence lays that out, in my opinion, very very clearly. I think the state has done a exceptional job up to this point laying out the case and showing us exactly what happened and the planning and the aftermath and everything they did after the fact to try and cover their tracks and deflect and draw attention elsewhere. And the BCI did a fantastic job at investigating this case. They didn't let a lot of information out in the beginning, and I think that was intentional because I think they had their sites set on the Wagoners pretty quickly, but they needed to gather all of the evidence, and I think they did a super impeccable job at doing so. I'm often a little tough on law enforcement in some cases because they don't do the best job, but in this case, BCI did an amazing job, and I think that's very telling because this was a massive homicide. Eight people lost their lives. They had a lot to take on, and this was the largest murder in Pike County. So the fact that they were able to do what they did in such a way and get justice for the Road and family is very, very telling, and I think that they deserve all the credit in this investigation because they really did a dang good job, and the prosecution in George's case did a day good job as well. So we are going to go ahead and move on to episode four. I will see you next week for that, have a great one and I will see you then. Bye.