Wayne Greavette

Warning, this episode contains graphic crime scene detail and maybe sensitive for some listeners. All witnesses, pursas of interest, and suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Hi. I'm Katie and I'm Kelly. And if you're looking for a super fun, awesome podcast to listen to, check us out all things outrageously dark, scary, beautiful and totally true. Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now in true crime, and then together we are going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We are going to jump into right now and true crime. But I have to tell a story that I think is funny. It's probably not funny to anyone else, but it is kind of true crime ish, maybe a little bit. So I was at my local antique store that is my absolute fav and the line is super long because because they have to hand key all of the products and they have to wrap everything. So I was standing in line for like twenty minutes, twenty thirty minutes, and there was this guy behind me and he was talking about like what he was going to buy. And then he just started like talking about how he collected glass, like antique glass, which I love. So I was like, what kind of glass do you collect? YadA, YadA, And then he started saying that he has like this area, but it's like a secret location, which that's a whole nother story that might be a little suspect. I'm not really sure. He's like it's his secret location, but it's like in the woods, and there's a lot of like antique glass just like buried there, like you have to look for. There's a lot of broken pieces, but there's a lot of like you know, decent pieces there. So he goes to the photos of his phone because he wants to find a picture of this gravy boat that he found, and he's like scrolling through his pictures and then he was like, I also found some human remains once. Now I'm sure he expected me to be like not intrigued by the human remains, but I was like, tell me more about the human remains, Like you can show me a gravy boat later, I want to know about the human remains you found. So he said he found a skull and he found a femur bone and it had been it belonged to somebody who was elderly, come to find out, because they had a prosthetic, like prosthetic hip. So there's like hardware in there. So the hardware was attached to the femur. And he's telling me this. He's like, I'm not going to show you pictures of it, and I'm like, oh no, I want to see the pictures of the prosthetic and the femur. And he also found a skull, so I was like, show me the picture. So he shows the pictures to me and you can very clearly see like the you know, the hardware from the you know, prosthetic area on the leg, and then like I see the skull. And I think he thought I was like a psychopath because I said, I'm really into weird shit, like show me, show me the bones. I want to see the bones. And he was like you are like this whole time, this man thinks he's gonna show me a gravy boat and he ends up showing me like human ass remains on his cell phone. So he's like, yeah, so I thought I was in Montgomery County, but when I called the cops, you know, Harris County Houston Police Department came out and they were able to identify the remains based on the you know, the serial numbers that's on the you know the prosthetic stuff, and I'm like, yep, I know all that. I work in healthcare. YadA, YadA. So it ended up not being anything to farious, like this person just was in the woods and died in the woods and that was it, and then they became remains. So that was my story from the antique store. I couldn't believe what was happening, and I was resisting every urge in my soul to not be like, Look, I'm a true crime podcaster. I have a fascination with like death, and honestly, I have a fascination like human anatomy and like the way that our bodies are put together. I think it's very interesting. So he already thought I was weird because I was like really invested in looking at these remains. And I never did see the gravy boat, but I got to see a skull and I got to see a femur. So adventures in antiquing, you never know what you're going to come across, and here you're going to come across, all right, So let's go ahead and dive right in to right now in true crime, we have a couple of things to talk about. Nothing major really going on. So they did set a transfer date for Chad day Bell for him to move from Fremont County to Ada County. He is supposed to be moving to that jail no later than March twenty second of twenty twenty four, and his trial is set to begin on April Fool's Day and we are a million percent ready for it. And that is going to be an Ada County. So he's currently in what did I say for Fremont County and he's going to be transferred to Ada County in preparation for this trial, and we are a million percent here for it. I cannot wait for a trial to start. It's going to become my full time job. I'm already aware, but I'm ready for it. Moving on, Richard Allen, who is the suspect in the Delphi double homicide, has filed for a speedy trial, which I'm kind of surprised because I feel like, for a while they were grasping at straws and I felt like they were going to try to delay as much as they could, but he has filed for a speedy trial, so I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that one. Now, this one really makes me mad. Kaylea Montgomery, who is the stepmother of Harmony Montgomery former I think they're so legally married technically wife to Adam Montgomery, who just went to prison on homicide charge urges in his daughter's death. They have granted Kaylea Montgomery parole, so she was in prison for perjury and she unfortunately is getting out on parole. Now. I know Kayla isn't the one that killed Harmony, but she sure as hell knew about it, and she lied for a long long time to protect Adam, and I just don't know. I don't feel like anyone in that family has any business being on the outside. As far as like Adam and Kayla and whoever else was involved in their little triangle of creepy stadisticness, they do not belong on the outside because they're dangerous people. Given the fact that they hid Harmony's death for such a long time, like Harmony still hasn't been found, I don't think we're ever going to really know what exactly happened to her, where exactly she is, where her remains are. But there's not a tiny part of me that thinks that Caleb Montgomery should be out on parole. But sure enough, she was granted parole, which makes me question our justice system in such a big way. Now, speaking of questioning our justice system, let me talk about a case that is semi local to me. There was a woman named Patricia. Her friends called her reci. She was killed I want to say, maybe like a year and a half ago in her driveway by her husband, like gunned down in cold blood. So he was obviously arrested, and they had a daughter together. She was at school at the time. I want to say she was like high school, maybe junior high. So he goes to prison, he bonds out pretty much immediately, and he finally has been sentenced. He went ahead and pled guilty because there is video of him in the driveway that day. She is taking video, obviously taking video for her records, because I think she was planning on trying to get out of the marriage. I think that's what sparked this whole thing, is she wanted to get out of the marriage, so she was videoing him acting a fool in the driveway. He has like super like low I don't know, like low rise pants on. They have something blurred out at the bottom. I don't know what that's all about. And then he has like his top part just like open, and he is like this big, big, big gut on him and he just looks enraged to all hell, and he basically tells her like, you're gonna meet Jesus. This is it. I hope it was worth it. As he has this big gun out there and she's videoing the whole thing because I think in her mind, I don't think that she thought that he was going to kill her. I think that she thought, oh my gosh, like he is really losing his mind now and I'm going to be able to use this in you know, future like divorce stuff. So she videoed the whole thing that is the essential smoking gun, like there's no denying you did it. So he did plead guilty, and good old Harris County, Texas was offering a maximal sentence of twenty years two zero years for cold blooded caught on film murder, and the all woman jury that was brought in to give him his sentence, they thought, well, he just gets ten years because at least he admitted to it. I don't know if that's what they're thinking was, but if I had been on that jury, we would have been going like I would have been pushing for life, like I know, I probably wouldn't have gotten that, but I would have been like, guys, what are we doing here? Ten years and then he's eligible to get out of prison in five This is a dangerous person if he can kill in cold blood his wife who he was married to, the mother of his children. Do you think that that's a person that needs to be out on the streets. Do you think that he's going to do it again because he got away with it the first time? Of course he is. This is not a sane individual, and he does not need to be out on the streets. But Harris County said let's go for twenty years, and they gave him ten. I could rage and likely he's in the same prison as AJ Armstrong, who actually is innocent and is serving life in prison. Do you see how backwards this is? This guy has a video of him committing murder, and Aj Armstrong it took them three trials and allegedly allegedly so I don't get sued planted evidence for them to convict him, Like, what is wrong? If you don't see that our justice system is so so flawed, then that is like the biggest problem. Like, we have such a flawed justice system. It's set up to be fair and it's set up to work, but it doesn't always happen unfortunately, and this is a prime example of that. I don't feel safe with this individual being released back into my community in five years time. That's alarming to me that this individual could be out in as little as five years. And I'm sure he's going to be a model prisoner and the best, and he's going to get parole in five years. But it just absolutely makes me sick that we have innocent people across the country who are in prison literally for things they didn't do. And this guy has a video of him committing a murder and he's only in prison for ten years. Make it make any amount of sense, Guys, All right, we are going to end on that. I do promise that I am going to do a little bit of coverage on aj Armstrong's case, but I'm waiting a little bit because they are in the midst of appeals and I don't want anything that I talk about or say to affect the case in any way, shape or form, because they are still in the very very early stages of all of the different appeals. But I will promise that I'll cover his case if you don't know his case and you're not familiar Justice for aj Armstrong on Facebook, Instagram, and I do have a lot of information to share and talk about, which I, like I said, I will do. I'm just trying to be respectful of his case and everything going on with the appeal process because it is pretty fresh and pretty brand new. He was just convicted last year, even though this has been an ongoing case for a long time, because it took them three trials to get the verdict that they wanted, meaning they wanted him to be found guilty, because they flubbed the investigation of the case. And basically we're grasping get straws to try to pin it all on AJ because that's the only direction that they ever went in the whole investigation at all. So we will talk about that at some point for sure, But check out Justice for AJ Armstrong on Facebook and Instagram if you want more info. Okay, I have rambled on long enough, we are going to go ahead and get started with today's episode. Okay, guys, we are jumping into a new case today. This one is insane. When I came across it, I knew that I had to dive in and try to figure out what the heck was going on with this case. So today we are going to talk about the unsolved murder of a guy named Wayne Gravett, and we are going to talk about what was going on in Wayne's life leading up to him being brutally killed in his own home in a very very odd way, a way that we really don't talk much about. We talk about other modes of murder and the way the people's lives are taken, but this one, the way that Wayne's life was taken, was one of the craziest and also one of the most mysterious ways you could, I think, go about killing somebody. It's very interesting. So we are going to dive into the story of Wayne Gravett. Now. Wayne Richard Gravett was born on January fourth of nineteen fifty four in Ontario, Canada. He was married to a woman named Diane, and together they had two children, Justin, who was twenty one, and Danielle. I'm not really sure how old she was, but she was a little bit on the older side. I would say, either late teens or even maybe a little bit older than her brother Justin. I do know at the time of Wayne's death, she was not at home. She was with her boyfriend. So Wayne and his family lived in Muffett, Ontario, and Wayne had worked in the food and beverage delivery industry and he had worked for several different companies over the years. He had kind of done it all, worked for several different companies and in turn with that, he had met a lot of people while he was working for these different companies. The family had recently purchased a farm property that they lived on and it was one hundred and four acres and they were in the process of developing a spring water business on the property. Wayne is described as being a great father to his two children. They as a couple, him and Diane had very few friends, but they did have a lot of business acquaintances. Diane describes Wayne as mouthy and cocky when it came to his business and just the people that he had interactions with. He very much told people what he thought and he had had altercations here and there. Diane said Wayne wasn't the best husband. He had different affairs. They had fought quite frequently, but at the end she loved him and always stayed by his side. So already we're kind of painting the picture of a guy that maybe did have some enemies in the business aspect of things. People probably didn't like the fact that he was blunt and told it like it was, and especially I feel like in a business sense, especially in Canada where they lived, I think the market was probably pretty competitive and there probably was some jealousy there. People probably were jealous of Wayne or they didn't like the way that he approached his business. And you can easily see how Wayne might have offendeds of people along the way because he was a very talent, like it is kind of person which I respect, I admire, and I think that's how everybody should be. But unfortunately, sometimes you're going to cross certain people that don't like that approach and don't like that way, and it can leave a bad taste in their mouth. So Wayne was forty two at the time of his murder, and we are going too fast forward to December twelfth of nineteen ninety six. So a couple of weeks before Christmas, Justin, Wayne's son had gone out to get some diesel fuel and he had stopped at the end of the driveway on his way out to pick up the mail. So they lived at the end of this long dirt road and the mailbox was at the end, so he stopped to get the mail. And in the mail that day he found a package that was addressed to Wayne. It had been wrapped in white paper and it had a ribbon on it. He got the package, put it in his car, and then he went to go get gas, and then he returned home. Now, this package that had been addressed to Wayne had a letter attached to it, and this letter was a business proposal. I am going to read the letter now, mister Wayne Grivett. Dear sir, my partners and I are opening a new business sometime early in the new year called Action More Products, and would be very interested in having you give us a price on rebuilding some equipment. You did some work for a company I was with a few years ago. And although you won't remember me, Lisa and your delivery man Joe most likely, well, we don't plan on doing anything until after the new year, but would be most anxious to proceed at that time. We have no staff or office in place just yet, but you can reach us by mail at our new address below. Thanks for your time and I look forward to hearing from you sometime early in the new year. Sincerely, William J. French Action War products are our number one unit number six Action Ontario L seven six two and one. The text on this note is very hard to read, and we're going to get to that in a minute. PS. Didn't realize you had moved and some trouble finding had some trouble finding. You have a very merry Christmas and may you never have to buy another flashlight. So, of course Wayne reads this. His family is present at the time that he is reading this business proposal. He pulls out this dura cell flashlight from the package and him and Justin both attempt to turn this flashlight on, but nothing happens. They also then attempted to try to open the battery compartment, but they weren't able to. It was almost like it had been hot glued or superglued shut. So Wayne then walks into the living room and then tries to flashlight again, and when he turns the flashlight on it exploded as he was holding it, and immediately Wayne is killed. Awful, horrible, a targeted attack. I am now going to play the nine to one one call from that day. Justin immediately calls nine one one and you can hear Diane in the background screaming Justin's upset. I can't even imagine the horror and fear that they were going through. Danielle was not home at the time, so it was just Justin and Diane that were present when this flashlight exploded as Wayne was holding it. So we are going to listen to the night one call now, the trauma and fear in their voices. I can't even imagine. Wayne was instantly killed by this. But at that point in time, I'm sure they had no idea what had just happened. They had no idea what to do with themselves. It was just so panic and I cannot even imagine what was going through their minds at that point. And like I said, Wayne was killed instantly, so there was nothing that medical professionals could do at that point to help save him because it basically blew up in his face because he was holding it like you would hold a flashlight when you go to turn it on, meant to inflict complete harm and injure Wayne in the most heinous of ways. So the flashlight had roofing nails that were inside of it along with the explosives, so when it did blow up, it literally caused the worst of worst damage. So law enforcement gets to the scene, they immediately close the scene, and they send the family elsewhere so they can start doing their investigation and trying to figure out what happened. So here's some interesting things about the package itself that was sent to Wayne. This package that the splash light was in. Whoever did this had applied extra postage to the package. There was no DNA found on the stamps, no evidence that they had licked the stamps, no fingerprints found on the stamps whatsoever. And this package was not actually taken to the post office. They had mailed it on their own and seemingly had applied this extra postage so that way it wouldn't be returned to them and they would be sure that it would get where it needed to go. The items, the letter, obviously and the flashlight were inside of a wine box, and the UPC code on this wine box had been cut off. Whether that was in an effort to disguise who potentially could have bought the wine box, or traced who bought the wine box, or this was just a random box. If this person found and the UPC already had been cut off, we're not really sure. So they of course tried to go through sales receipts of the liquor stores in the area near where Wayne lived, but they weren't able to find anything. Trying to trace back who could have bought this box of wine, they were not able to trace anything back. There was tape on the package, and they were able to find two hairs on the tape, but they didn't find the root of the hairs, so there was no DNA profile that was able to be found, although I feel like now with our advanced DNA technology, I would hope that DNA is far enough along now that they could still develop some type or profile figuring out if the person who sent this was male or female. But we still we're doing it. We're doing the story because it's still a cold case, so nothing new has come forward in regards to that. So the package was wrapped, Like I said earlier, it was wrapped in white paper, but it was actually wrapped in wrapping paper. It was just wrapped inside out, so it was like a green Christmasy wrapping paper. But they wrapped the package inside out so that the white paper was showing on the outside, which I also think is interesting. The address was typed, there was no like handwritten anything on any of this. And inside of the box there were different flyers that were crumpled up, essentially kind of using them as like padding for the flashlight. And these flyers had come from a wide distribution area in southern Ontario. We're going to talk specifically about one of them right now because I do feel like this is a definite clue as to who potentially could have sent this package to Wayne. So one of these flyers was definitely sourced locally. It was for a store in Milton, Ontario called Copeland Lumber. Now, Wayne did work in the area of Milton, Ontario for a while, but wasn't working there at the time of his death. But this flyer was distributed only locally in the area of Milton, So of course investigators are trying to figure out who this person could potentially be that put this flyer in here, that sent the flashlight. Was it done intentionally kind of to throw off the trail. Did they acquire this during some travel that they did, or through another vendor or somebody that they knew and they used it to kind of throw off the trail, or was it someone that really left up and put this in there, not realizing that it could be identifiable and it could be traced back. I also think it's incredibly interesting that the letter that was attached to this package survived the blast, and literally it is still intact. I have a picture of it the exact way that it was. It's insane that that thing survived the blast. And I don't think the person that did this and sent this flashlight with the homemade bomb inside of it thought that anything would survive. So I think they thought that they would be untraceable, which unfortunately, despite all the evidence they have, this person has not been found. But I think there's such a huge amount of evidence here that this person could be found, Like time is ticking and they are soon going to be found out. So they checked into the information in regards to what went into making this bomb, and a lot of the stuff that was used to make this bomb was available in the mining industry. There was like a different type of explosive that was used and that could definitely be available to people that worked in the mining industry. Like I said, there were also roofing nails that were used in the bomb as well. And also, this has to be someone that has some type of knowledge of how to make a bomb. It was nineteen ninety six. The internet wasn't what the internet is now, so there wasn't really a way to go on Google and type in how do I make a homemade bomb? It wasn't like it is now, So this person had to have some type of experience background in this type of explosive, how to put together this homemade bomb, how to rig it up to actually work. When they went to tur and on the power button, it did not work those first two times, and on the third time it did. So it's really interesting to try to figure out what kind of callous human would do this, and this is somebody in my opinion, it was personal and they wanted to get revenge on Wayne for something, whether it was they were jealous or Wayne had talked to them in a way that they didn't like. I just think it takes a really, really sick ass individual to do something like this to somebody, and it's a very cowardly move. It's such a cowardly apt to do this hiding behind this weird business proposal. It's just so bizarre and it really makes me question that this person hasn't done more nefarious thing since this thing happened in nineteen ninety six. So they were able to identify the typewriter that was used to type this note. Again, nineteen ninety six, computers were not what they are today. The Internet wasn't what it is today, So this was typed on a typewriter. So interestingly enough, the font that was used to type on this typewriter wasn't the normal font that you would use on a typewriter. It was a special type of thing that people could add to their typewriter to have a different font, And this specific one that was used to type this letter to Wayne. It was done through this thing called a daisy wheel. And at the time this specific one that had this specific font that was used to type this letter, there was two percent of people that had this certain typewriter that had this certain type of daisy wheel. So that narrows down who could have done this into such a small small pool of people. Another thing about the specific font is that it appeared that there was an imperfection in the font, a glitch, whatever you may say say, but there was a key flaw in this font that inserted a backslash after each period. This was not normal for this font. So whoever wrote this had this type of typewriter with this type of daisy veal, with this type of font with the imperfection, seems like it would be the smoking gun and they would be able to track down who this person is, but unfortunately they were not able to nineteen ninety six, this person could have bought this and only used it that one time and then disposed of it. And there's also a it's really hard back then to track purchases of things because there wasn't records like there is today. There isn't all the electronic things. This person could have bought it off of somebody and paid cash and there was no record of it there. They could have bought it from a pawnshop. There's no telling where this person acquired this typewriter, where they acquired the daisy wheel, if they acquired them at the same time, or if they purchased them separate if they were purchasing it used, we don't have any way to track that. Unfortunately, if we did, I think if this happened present day, this person would be found pretty much immediately because there is so much technology and digital tracking that goes into our everyday lives. Investigators went through and tried to get up with everybody that had any correspondence with Wayne over the years that worked in the same industry as he did, to see if anybody had ever received anything like this, had received a note from somebody a business partner or another business proposal that was typed in the same font, just to try to narrow down who they're searching for, and they came up empty handed. There was no correspondence that had ever been done with anyone in Wayne's circle that had been typed like this with this same font. There was nothing. Unfortunately, it also seems really simple because this letter is signed by a person. This letter has a business name attached to it and an address, so you would think, okay, let's just go to the source and we're going to figure out who this person is. We have a name. That person did not exist. The business also did not exist. The address, however, was a residence of somebody, but when investigators went to investigate the lead, it turned up to be nothing. There was no connection. This person, for whatever reason, chose this address, which I think is really shady to put someone else's home address on a bomb that you mail to somebody. I just don't understand what kind of sadistic human would do this. Did this person have a connection to that address at some point in time and that's why they chose it? Were they trying to frame somebody? There is a lot of questions that go into this whole thing in regards to why this person chose the name they chose, the fake business name they chose, and this random address that they chose. And I think we have to really like break down the anatomy of the person that sent this in order to try to figure out why they targeted Wayne. So, the person that sent this was very strategic, very calculated. They typed it up. It was anonymous, they didn't like the stamps, they didn't leave fingerprints. There was literally no identifiable anything on the letter except for the fact that they obviously knew who Wayne was. They knew what kind of industry that Wayne worked in. They referenced people that Wayne worked with his assistant Lisa or secretary Lisa, and his delivery man Joe. So these are real people that way knew, so using their names in this letter, it almost makes you kind of wonder did Wayne even realize like what he was reading. Did he know in his brain who this was from and not really think anything of it and not feel threatened by it. Was it somebody that he had previously done business with but he didn't follow through on the job. Was it somebody that he had cross paths with and not a good way. We really don't know, But did Wayne know before he flipped that flashlight switch who this was from in his head? Like, oh, this must be from this person, even though it was signed by this French guy who wasn't a real person or was a real person but had passed away like way, way way before this letter was even sent. So I don't even know, Like if Wayne even knew who this was from, like this could have completely blindsided him in every single way. And even in reading the letter he had been like, well, they know who my assistant is and they know who my delivery man is, so I must have crossed paths with this person at some point but we really don't know. And the way that they addressed it and worded it was very much like you've done business with us before, and we want to do business with you again. We're interested in this kind of stuff. So they obviously knew what kind of business Wayne worked in, they had been familiar with him, they knew that he had recently moved. It's so so interesting to me. Also, it was really hard to find someone's address in nineteen ninety six via like a phone book and getting like a current updated address, And since Wayne and his family had recently moved from where they had lived previously to this new address, it's interesting that this person was invested in Wayne enough to be able to track that down. The investigators did come up with a lead. There is a potential tie to Halton Hills, Ontario. About a month before a murder, there were two men that had visited the Acton post office and they had asked for Wayne's current address. I feel like these are our guys. We just have to figure out who the heck they are. And the weird thing about disinteraction with these guys is they had gone obviously to the post office. One was inside asking people, do you know where rain Grivett lives, and the other one was outside asking people do you know where Rain Gravette lives? And I guess back then, nineteen ninety six, it probably wasn't super out of the ordinary to try to like track someone down by word of mouth, like asking other people, Hey, do you know where Wayne lives? Because Wayne and his family had lived in Acton, Ontario, and had just recently moved to Moffatt, which was where they lived on their farmland, So it wouldn't be out of the question to think that other people in the surrounding area might have known where Wayne moved. But these two guys, who I think are like prime suspects number one and two obviously probably new Wayne in whether personally New Wayne or in a business sense New Wayne, and they knew that he had moved, but they weren't really sure where, So they maybe at some point in time were close with Wayne. They knew he lived in Acton, but they weren't close enough to know where exactly he had moved in Muffett, So somewhere along the line they were able to track him down and send him this horrific, horrific package. They were able to come up with composite sketches of these two individuals, and nothing came of it. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get any new leads. Of course, anytime a composite sketch is released like this, you do get a lot of tips, but a lot of times they lead nowhere because it could be oh, someone I know it looks like this sketch, but it ends up not being that person, and then you end up at another dead end. Now, another interesting aspect is he does in this letter these guys, This guy whoever wrote this letter does reference Lisa, who is Wayne's assistant secretary. But also I feel like knows the business really, really well. She had started this other business with Wayne and his wife Diane, so I think she was a pretty knowledgeable person. And in the letter he they whoever wrote this letter, refers to her as Lisa Lisa, which was her name, but her name was spelled l ee Sa, which I think is interesting because they definitely knew that what her name was, but they didn't necessarily know it well enough to know that it was a different spelling than your standard average way of spelling Lisa. But then again, you have to think, did that person do that intentionally to kind of throw off the path. Did they actually know that Lisa was spelled Elieesa? Did they have dealings with her? Did they have dealings with Wayne? Did they intentionally write it that way to kind of throw off the scent as to who they are, meaning that maybe they just had interactions with her and they heard her name, they never actually saw it in writing or saw it spelled out. Things that really make you think and really make you wonder the motivations behind the way that this letter was written and why it was written the way it was. All of these things are things that the investigators are trying to dissect and try to figure out who potentially could have done this? Who are we looking for? What is the profile of this person that potentially could have sent this letter. In two thousand and nine, a documentary was released. It is called The Bomb That Killed Wayne Grivet and it basically tells Wayne's story, obviously trying to raise awareness as to who potentially could have done this, and the family was involved in this documentary as well. I am going to link it in the show notes because it is very interesting. It's not very long, but very very informative, and it was completed in partnership with a guy named David Ridgin. He is a independent Canadian filmmaker who was born in Stratford, Ontario, and he's done many different projects. That was one of the things that he did. He also launched a podcast in twenty sixteen called Someone Knows Something and in season four of his podcast, he revisits his case of Wayne Grivett's death and it's again very very informative. There's a lot of information and they're a lot more detailed information. He has really gone deep in this case to figure out all of the things to try to solve this crime. Is a fifty thousand dollars reward leading for information into who killed d Wayne Gravet. But despite that, and despite all of the clues that we have, all of the tips we have, the composite sketches that we have, this case still remains a cold case and his family still remains steadfast in the fact that they want to know who targeted their family, who targeted Wayne. Could this person still be out there? Could this person want to inflict more harm on other people? Could they still want to potentially target their Gravet family? This person needs to be off of the streets. And I do think that these two guys that we're seeing at the Acton Post office are probably our suspects. So I would say that whoever these people are, they need to be found asap before they inflict more harm on people. They could have already inflicted more harm. Anyone that is able to successfully build a flashlight bomb, mail it to somebody ripe before Christmas, disguise it as a Christmas gift, disguise it as a business proposal. These are dangerous, dangerous humans, And in my opinion, there are people that won't stop at anything to get what they want and get the revenge that they feel that they deserve. Because for whatever reason, they hated Wayne enough to take his life in such a horrific and cowardly way. And I just don't understand how anyone could first of all, do something like that, go through with something like that, and then hide in the shadows for the rest of their life, hiding from the fact that they did this horrific thing, and they are able to evade every potential way of being identified, no fingerprints left behind, hairs left behind with no root, the typewriter, even the fact that there was that glitch in the daisy Will that they used and it left behind that evidence of this is probably a glitch that is incredible to be able to evade that for such a long time. Even though you left behind all of the clues, none of them led back to whoever these people are this person is. So that is a story of Wayne Grivett. I am going to be linking the documentary and there's a ton of education out there in regards to Wayne's case. There are so many podcasts that have covered it. There is, of course, like I said, the documentary, there is a lot out there on this and I feel like present day twenty twenty four, we are going to be getting closer to hopefully solving this crime and figuring out who killed Wayne and the people that did are going to hopefully be arrested and be brought to justice. I feel like this one has so many loose ends that just need to be tied up, and if the right people get their hands on this information, I feel like that's going to happen. This is one case I feel very strongly about has a high probability of being solved. It's just a matter of time. So thank you guys so much for listening to Wayne's story. I know it was a little bit different than the normal ones I do. It's the first time I've ever come across this story and it just intrigued me so much that I felt like I had to tell Wayne's story because I feel like it's an important one. But I appreciate you guys so much for listening. As always, please share this episode, check out my Instagram and Facebook pages, and email me with any case recommendations, any unsolved cold cases that you want me to cover, and please subscribe and rate the podcast. It really helps push me out to more people in the true crime community. And I also want to give a shout out real quick to some of the other true crime podcasters that I've had the opportunity to connect with the true crime podcasting community. There's a lot of us out there, and we're all covering a lot of the same cases. But at the end of the day, it's about raising awareness. It's not about competition, it's not about who's better than who. It's about raising awareness for these cases. And again, with us all covering similar material, it's bound that there's going to be some crossover between certain episodes and certain stories that are being told. But I think it's important to hear it from everyone's perspective because that's how we spread awareness, that's how we keep these names of these people out there, and that's how cold cases get solved, is by awareness and talking about them and multiple people talking about them in potentially different ways, but all telling essentially the same story. So I do want to shout out a future crime podcasters that I have had the privilege of connecting with. Again, there are so many, so I'm going to do my best not to leave anyone out, but I will for sure be circling back and giving more shout outs as the time goes on. First one, love Mary kill Rich and Tina. They are a married couple. They do cases about married couples or couples that end up ending in not so great ways. They are fantastic. I love and adore them. Their storytelling is so great. I actually recommended that they do David and Belinda Temple. I had covered that story way back when my podcast first started, and they're a fabulous and I love them and go check out their podcast if you haven't. Second True Crime in Headlines with my girl Joels. She is amazing. She is a former teacher who has really turned her life to true crime, and she's also working on Missing in Hush Town, trying to solve the case of Jennifer and Adriana Wicks, who went missing from the area that she lives in Tennessee. Go check her out. She's amazing, She's fabulous, and we love her. We also have Crime a Holly. She is the host of Crime with Holly podcast. She's also on TikTok. She's amazing. She brings such a interesting and unique perspective to some of the cases she covers, and we just love her and I'm so glad that I've been able to meet her and get to know her. She's great. Next one, Like Mother, Like Murder with Rachel and Heather. They are best friends. They do a really good job at portraying these stories, conveying these stories, and I love the best friend dynamic that they have. I am way too much of a control freak to ever have a podcast with anyone else other than me. It's just who I am as a human, and I honestly love and respect anyone that's able to like cohesively have a podcast, and Rachel and Heather are fantastic. I cannot wait to meet them and hang out with them at crime Con. I cannot wait. Speaking of people, I can't wait to meet at crime Con, Stephanie morm She is a Canadian gal. We love her. She also watches Love as Blind and we chat about it all the time. Because I'm a reality TV gal, I love trash reality TV. She has a YouTube and podcast called Wicked ever After. Please check her out. She is a great storyteller and a fantastic human and we love her. We have my girls over at Twisted and Uncorked Lesia and Sierra. They I love their podcast because they do true crime. They also do paranormal and they do, you know, the paranormal true crime side of things, which I love paranormal that is like one of my favorite things on Earth is like ghosts and creepy things and all of the all the things that go into it. So go check their podcast out Twisted and Encorked. And then we also have Stay at Home Detectives with hosts Sam and Jen and they dive into some of the most astounding true crime cases and they are fantastic women. Supporting women is so important, especially in this community of true crime podcasts. I did not realize what a supportive community it was, and I've been so gracious and thankful for meeting these ladies and being able to bounce ideas off of each other and just have like this cohesive unit of people that know what it's like to go through like podcasting and just putting yourself out there, because it's not easy to start a podcast. Anyone can start a podcast, but it's not necessarily easy. There is a lot of work behind the scenes that goes into it. But for me, it's something that I enjoy and I'm going to keep doing because these stories need to be told, and we all need to support each other and come together to help tell these so so important stories. So I will be shouting more people out in future episodes, but be sure to go give all of those gals a follow and listen to their podcasts. They have become podcasts I listen to on a weekly rotation, and I love them dearly and they're all great humans, and I'm so glad that we can come together in this true crime space and support one another. So I'm going to stop my rambling in this episode, and I will see you guys next time for a brand new episode. Have a great, great week. And I will see you on Friday. Bye, guys. I'm Tyler, I'm Thomas, and I'm Jake. And this is a call to madness. This is a comedy show where we have no idea where these topics will take us. 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