Wilma June Nissen

Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now in true crime, and then together we are going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Warning this episode contains graphic crime scene detail and may be sensitive for some listeners. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. I want to start things off by saying today is officially two years of Primetime Crime, which is so wild that it's been two whole years of covering these unknown cases, doing the right Now and true Crime segment. It's all just so wild to me that it's been two years of this. So I will never take it for granted. I love doing it. I enjoy doing it. I love being able to bring you these lesser known cases, the ones that desperately need our attention, and I will never ever ever take that for granted. So thank you all for listening weekly, even if you just listen once in a while, even if you're listening now for the first time. I really really appreciate each and every one of you. We are going to go ahead and dive into right now in true crime. Something I haven't talked about is the Idaho murders nine to one one call. It officially was released, I think a couple of weeks ago, the transcript was released, and then the nine one one call was released, And I am going to play that for you now, and then we're going to talk about it, and then we are also going to talk about some other things that have come out recently, things that have been released in reference to the murders and the suspect, the alleged suspect, Brian Coberger. So I'm going to play the nine one one call, we'll talk about it, and then we're going to talk about a couple of the other things, to try to catch up on the idaho of it all, because there's been a lot coming out about the quadruple homicide in the last couple of weeks. There's a lot dropping and I think we have a lot more to come, but I want to try to stay up to date on what has come out thus far. Twenty two second, November thirteen, twenty twenty two. And I don't know the location of their emergency all right, something is happening about been happening to not help you don't know what I want to address of the emergency one, what all the rest of the address, oh, king to rud okay, and then got a house trying to partment and the house. Can they repeat the address to make sure that I have it right. I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights, so we're next to them. I need someone to repeat the address for verification. The address one one two two? Team rugs. And what's the phone number that you're calling from? What's like someone thirty one? And I'm exactly what's going on? One of our one of the roommates has passed out. And she's strong class and just felt like, yeah, okay, oh and they saw some man in their house. I was say, yeah, I just said the patient. Okay. I need someone to keep the phone and stop passing it around. Can I just tell you what happened? Pretty much? I want ends up going on currently as someone passed out right now, I don't really know what pretty much for you, m okay, I need to know what's going on right now? If someone has passed out, can you find that out? No? Okay, come on, let me go go check what we you have to. Did you pass out? Stop? What's long? It's not waking up? Okay? One? Not that I'm getting up sorted that way? Okay, and how old isham M? She's twenty. Twenty? Said yes, okay, Hello, Hello, Okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people. Sorry, they just gave me the phone. Is she breathing? Hello? Is she breathing? No? Okay, meant me or the line needs you to. Talk to them? Say I can't talk to them. Hello, Okay, I have already sent the ambulance and law enforcement. Stay on the line. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. Say that again. There's the points here right now. Okay. If there's a defibrillator available, fend someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. Don't I think you have a good sibulator? Yes, you have one? Are you talking to the officer? Yeah? Okay, I'm gonna watch you go, stay there with you and can help you. Okay, thank you, bye? Okay. Eleven fifty nine AM forty nine second, November thirteen. Okay, No matter how many times I listened to that nine one one call, I just can't emotionally deal with what I'm hearing it is so horrible and sad and tragic. And there's been a lot of talk about this nine one one call and a lot of people. I remember initially when everything first came out, everybody was wondering, why did the first call that came in, the nine one one call that came in, Why was it for a passed out person? What was the deal with that? And now it all kind of makes sense. We don't know what those girls saw in that house that night. We know that one of the surviving roommates came pretty much face to face with the alleged murderer, Brian Koberger, and we don't really know a lot more than that. We're going to find out a heck of a lot more at the trial, I believe. But in the text messages that have been released between the two surviving roommates, you know that they were just terrified. They were trying to get a hold of their roommates. One of them saw this random man in the house. They didn't know what was going on. They had all been drinking because they're college kids, it's what they do. It was the weekend. They are all very young, and it's not your first thought in your head that four of your roommates have been brutally murdered by a psychopathic person. That's just not a normal thought that enters your head. And I don't think that they knew what to do, so when they woke up, they still weren't able to get in touch with anybody. I think they were kind of scared to go exploring around the house because I would be two not knowing what happened. And they ended up calling their neighbors and that's when kind of everything transpired. You can hear part of the nine one one call when there's a guy that comes in and he says, get out, get out, get out. I think that's when the severity of the situation was realized and whatever he saw, he realized that this is way more than just a passed out person. But let me just say that nine one one operator, I don't know what goes on in the mind of a nine one one operator, but you can tell that this girl that is initially making the phone call is extremely upset and extremely emotional, obviously, and then the whole thing about seeing somebody in the house, like that's a really important thing too. And I get the nine one one operator saying, let me know what's going on right now, not what happened at four am. But it all goes along with the story. And her being condescending and just robotic in her approach isn't helping the situation. If she was a little bit more empathetic and was trying to calm down the caller, I think it would have gone a lot smoother than her berating the caller for passing the phone around. Obviously she's upset, there's a lot going on. It might be the best thing to pass the phone around to somebody that is calm and can give information and the full story. But I know the nine one one operator didn't know what was going on at the time. But holy moly, we see this so many times with nine one one calls. We actually just saw it in the episode I did with Susan Powell, and the way that the nine one one operator was just not helpful to the woman who was calling to say, these children are in danger, and sure enough, she was right. So that's all I really want to say about the NAIM one call. But I think it is very telling of the situation and what was going on and kind of the mind frame of the people in that house, the two surviving roommates trying to come to terms with what was going on around them. Last thing I want to talk about in the Idaho case is they officially have released proof that Brian Coburger purchased one of those black essentially it covers your whole face except for your eyes kind of masks, and he purchased it on January tenth of twenty twenty two. They have receipt and proof from Dick's Sporting Goods that he purchased this and that is what one of the surviving roommates said that she saw him wearing. And that's why she said the bushy eyebrows stood out because that's pretty much all she could see was the bushy eyebrows and the eyes. So really, really interesting. The house of cards for Brian Coburger is crumbling no matter what he or his team try to do to deflect and draw attention away from the fact that literally everything that is being released is pointing in his direction. He is still going with the narrative that he was framed, but it's not going to go very well for him when all of this evidence keeps piling up. So stay tuned for anything more that comes out about that, because I feel like we're just going to keep seeing more and more evidence released in the coming weeks, coming months leading up to trial. A couple little things I just want to touch on. We're not going to spend a whole lot of time going over. But they officially have arrested the woman that is wanted in connection with her wife's death, Yolanda Mourriti. She was captured and arrested in connection with her wife, fire chief Michelle Muratti's death. She was found in Mexico. They knew that she had escaped. She ran for almost two months they found her. She is now under arrest Louri Valodabell. Apparently she wants to be called Lorii Dabel now, but we're not going to do that. We're going to call her Lori Valodaebell. She has motion to dismiss the case against her in Charles Valo's death due to prosecutorial misconduct, and that is likely not going to happen. Her trial is set to begin very very very soon, like next week, so I doubt that anything is going to happen with that as far as dismissal, but I'll keep you guys updated. Last thing I want to talk about. The trial against the man who allegedly murdered Rachel Morin is set to begin on April first. This is going to be such a busy season for trials. We have so much coming up. Lori Valo, Dabell Karen Reid, the one against the guy who allegedly killed Rachel. We have Corey Richen's stuff coming up. There is a lot going on. I'm going to try my best to keep on top of it, but it's a lot, so bear with me. But I am so glad that hopefully we are on the right path to getting justice for all of these people, getting justice for Rachel. I covered her story initially before her killer was caught, and I remember saying, if we don't catch this person, they are likely to reoffend and kill somebody else. And I'm so glad that they were able to get this horrific human off of the streets. So his trial is going to be an interesting one to watch. I think they have all the evidence they need against him. But I will continue to keep you guys updated. Thank you for hanging out during this right now. In true crime, I know it's a little bit longer, but I wanted to cover a few of those things just to kind of stay up to date on them. So we are going to go ahead and get into today's episode, which is a super super important one. They're all important, but this one for me just kind of as I was researching it, I realized how horrific and sad and solvable this case really is, and the fact that it's not solved is just wild to me. This case has every aspect of it that makes it's solvable. We just have to put all of the pieces together. So that is what we're here today to do. So I hope you guys enjoy the episode. And at the end of the episode, I give information on how to follow along with the story and keep up to date with it, So please do all of that. Follow all of the Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit pages that I provide that are going to be linked below. In the show notes, I also talk about them, and I hope you guys enjoy today's episode. Okay, guys, on today's episode, I am going to be telling you about the unsolved homicide of a young twenty three year old woman named Wilma June Nesson. Wilma's story is such an important story to tell. I was contacted by Wilma's biological daughter, Chrissy, and she asked me if I would be interested in covering Wilma's story. And interestingly enough, I had saw a post on Facebook about Wilma's story and I had saved it so I could go back and look at it, and then Chrissy had contacted me. So this whole thing made me realize how much attention the story needs, and it needs it now. I always say that when family reaches out to me, I never want to turn these families down because they need help. This is what it takes. It takes a village, and for Wilma's case, I want to do everything I can to help propel the investigation forward, put it out to more eyes and ears, and that's exactly what we're going to do today. Chrissy's involvement in now trying to help solve her mom's murder is a truly amazing story, and I have no doubt that she will be successful in doing everything she can to solve this case because of her involvement and fearce dedication. It is amazing. We'll get to all of that though later in the story. This case spans decades, and when a break in the case comes in two thousand and six, it would change the direction of Wilma's case forever. So with all of that being said, let's go ahead and get into the story of Wilma ju Nessen. This is her story and she deserves justice. On a Wednesday morning, October fourth of nineteen seventy eight, a nineteen year old telephone company worker laying cable on a Highway one eighty two near West Lyons School in Lyon County, Rock Rapids, Iowa, came upon something on the side of the road that he first thought was a mannequin. Upon a closer inspection, he realized that it was indeed not a mannequin, it was a body. He quickly contacted the authorities. The body was found in a ditch on the north side of a gravel road. The body actually was almost missed due to some of the high weeds that were in the area in which the remains were found. This woman was badly decomposed. She had on white leather go go boots, light green pants, and bikini style underwear that were described as wrapped around her left leg. She was nude from the waist up She had a silver Friendship ring with a gold indentation on her right finger. Her feet had been bound together by braided hemp rope, and her bottom jaw was gone and only two teeth remained. She was found face down. This was a brutal homicide. Investigators believed it could have been sexually motivated due to the pants and underwear being quote unquote wrapped around her left leg. However, it was difficult to process the scene due to how badly decomposed the body was. Investigators scoured the area and they were unable to find any of the missing clothes or the remainder of her jaw and teeth. Investigators didn't release this information right away, but they later would come out and say that due to the positioning of the body, they believed that the area that she was placed was a secondary location and not the location in which the victim was killed. They believed that the perpetrator used the rope that was tied around the victim's ankles to pull her, either from a nearby area or from a vehicle, into the ditch, and disposed of her body there. Due to the level of decomposition, investigators thought that the body had been brought there between June and August of nineteen seventy eight. And remember she was being found in early October of nineteen seventy eight, so whoever this was, their body had been severely exposed to the elements for quite some time. In the midst of the remains being sent for autopsy, local officials in Lyon County released information about this woman being found in hopes that somebody would come forward and could help identify her. They described her as a woman between the ages of twenty and thirty, about five five one hundred pounds, and with dark blonde hair. Each time somebody would come forward to see if this was their missing loved one, it would turn up as not a match. Investigators had very little to go on and trying to find out this woman's identity. An autopsy was completed and they noted that she had a skull fracture and the victim also had a dislocated right elbow and cervical vertebrae, which could have happened either during the struggle with the attacker, or it also could have happened after the fact when the murderer was disposing of her body, but either way, the dislocations exist and they are important to this case. No blood or seamen was found on the body, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't there. It was nineteen seventy eight, the body had been outside for a while, so it's possible that any of the evidence that was there was washed away due to it being outside. In the elements, the Jane Doe's fingernails and fingerprints at this point in time were also collected, hoping that if there was a struggle during this attack, that there is a likelihood that there is DNA evidence underneath the victim's fingernails. They attempted to scour missing persons in the area to see if anybody fit the description, and each time they would come up empty handed. They very much believed that this woman was not from Iowa, and that made the search for her identity even more of a challenge. They had a lot of things to try to comb through. One of the investigators who was first on the scene noticed that Jane Doe had on these go go boots and he had thought that maybe the go go boots were tied to what Jane Doe did for a living, and he decided to go visit different bars and dance clubs, searching for people that might have known her. Somebody had to have known her. They again came up empty handed everywhere they turned. One thing I will say about this case is Lyon County very much tried to identify her, but every time they made an attempt or had a possible lead, it would come up at a dead end. They ended up also publishing different articles about the Jane Doe. They were very much trying to reach the masses should try to figure out who this woman was, and despite all of their efforts, they were not able to identify her. So eventually the County of Lyon County would go on to bury the unknown Jane Doe in a local cemetery and the marker on the grave basically just said unidentified female. The case passed through many hands in Lion County and they all did what they could to try and identify her, but technology wasn't advanced until many years after the Jane Doe was found. Unfortunately, it wasn't until two thousand and six that we saw some resolution in the case and finally the identity of Lyon County Jane Doe. If you remember, they had originally taken her fingerprints, and by this time in two thousand and six, technology and databases had advanced enough that finding a match was a lot more likely than when this crime first occur heard in nineteen seventy eight, or even into the early nineties. On January thirty first of two thousand and six, a Des Moines laboratory technician matched the Jane Doe's left thumbprint with a print card from the Los Angeles Police Department in nineteen seventy three. This person had been arrested for prostitution. They officially had a name for this Jane Doe, and that name was Wilma June Nesson. After twenty eight years, they finally knew who this Jane Doe was. But who was Wilma juwe Nesson? On the booking photo from the nineteen seventy three arrests, which, like I said earlier, was an arrest for prostitution. It had some known aliases of Wilma, one of which was Boots, which was her street name. This is chilling considering she was found in white go Go boots and the initial detective thought that this was a clue, and he sure was right. We are going to now talk about Wilma her upbringing and how her daughter now fights for her crime to be sold. And I do believe in my heart of hearts that this is a super solvable case. The pieces are there, we just have to put them all together. Wilma ju Nesson was born on October nineteenth of nineteen fifty four in San Francisco, California, to her parents, Charles and Junsson. Wilma had a younger sister, Mona, who had some developmental disabilities. The girl's home life was anything but good. Their mother, June, abandoned them when Wilma was only eight years old. This left the girls with Charles, who was very neglectful and he would lock them in a bedroom closet while he was at work. They didn't attend school and didn't do any of the normal things that kids their age did. By the age of ten, Wilma couldn't read, write, or even eat with a fork. She had never been taught how to do any of these things. Charles soon would lose his job, which forced the family to live in their car. Wilma, at this point would be put in charge of finding food for the family, while Mona was primarily confined to the trunk of the car, which it's just awful and horrific and terrible for me to even think about putting children in this type of situation where they just have to go along with this craziness and try to survive day to day. And these are only children. They don't know anything other than what they are living at the moment. It's horrible. The state of California finally stepped in in nineteen sixty four and the girls were removed from their father's care and placed them to the foster care system. Wilma's first foster family was a wonderful couple named Marshall and Maxine Holt, and they lived in Anaheim, California, and she lived with them from nineteen sixty four until nineteen sixty six. They got Wilma enrolled into school and she really thrived, although she had never been in school before. She worked very hard to try and catch up to be at the same level as her peers. But unfortunately, this was very short lived because the whole family eventually had to give Wilma up due to some debilitating medical issues that Maxine was having that would not allow for them to keep foster children any longer. So Wilma ended back up in the foster care system. Wilma would then bounce around to a couple of different foster families before finally settling in and landing with her last foster family, Vincent and Alice Hass in nineteen sixty seven, and they lived in Seal Beach, California. Now we are at the point where we are approaching Wilma's teenage years, and like many teenagers, Wilma rebelled a little bit. I think it's hard enough to be a teenager, much less having to come from a horrific upbringing, then being in a foster home and really liking it, and then being pulled out, and then being bounced around to other homes. I'm sure Wilma couldn't process any of this, and I can't even imagine trying to navigate teenage years after never really having a normal life. So Wilma ultimately ended up dropping out of school, and like many young people going into adulthood, she was very much trying to figure out her way in life and trying to navigate all of her childhood trauma, which again couldn't have been easy considering she never really had a normal life. So Wilma was in and out of the Haas family home. I think Wilma was a free spirit. I know Wilma was a free spirit, and she would often leave, but she would always come back home. That was kind of just who she was. So eventually, somewhere along the way in Wilma's twenty she was having trouble supporting herself, so she was basically forced to turn to sex work as a means to make a living, have some money, and try to pick up the pieces of her life. Wilma would go on to Mary a few times, although the exact number is not known. There is a high possibility that one of the men that she was married to would go on to serve as her pimp. She was married to a man named Michael Pazzar, a senior. She was also married to a man named Donald Wellington. So basically, what we're seeing here is a girl who never had a chance, was raised in a terrible environment living with her father. She was then placed in the foster care system where she was bounced around from home to home, and then she became an adult and had to figure out how to function, how to make money, and was essentially living day to day with very limited stability and making money the only way that she knew how. It was also the nineteen seventies and there wasn't a lot of resources for women back in those days. So Wilma ended up giving birth to a son named Michael in nineteen seventy four. She was just a few months try of twenty years old at this point in time. She left California with whoever she was with at that point in time, and was going to move to Florida, but in the midst of that, the child ended up being taken away and placed in state custody. She then had another child in December of the same year, nineteen seventy four, and it was another boy who was named Donald. Now, she pretty much immediately got pregnant after the birth of her first child, and then the second child was born premature if you were thinking the math at mathin that is why there's a seventh month age gap between the two children. Now, the second child was also taken away and placed in state custody. I do not know the circumstances behind why the children were taken away. Wilma would go on to be arrested several times in California for prostitution. In June of nineteen seventy seven, Wilma got married to a man named Robert Irvin. At this point, the arrest for prostitution stopped. Wilma was pregnant at the time with the daughter I spoke of earlier, named Chrissy, the one who is single handedly spearheading her mother's murder investigation. Chrissy was born premature in August of nineteen seventy seven and only weighed two pounds. After Chrissy was born, investigators believed Wilma lived in a camper in San Diego, where she met a man named Charles Inman Belt. So, for reasons unknown, shortly after Chrissy was born in February of nineteen seventy eight, Wilma left the state of California. Chrissy would go on to be adopted by Vincent and Alice Hass, who were Wilma's last foster family, and she would go on to be raised by them. Now, like I said, nobody really knows why Wilma left California. There were rumors that somebody might have been threatening her, so that's why she left. But she was also a free spirits, so she could have also left on her own, or was Charles involved in some way, shape or form in convincing her to leave. Nobody really knows the answer to this, but essentially, Wilma ended up leaving California and she ended up in Georgia with Charles and then would eventually travel to Atlanta, Georgia with him. Charles said that Wilma stayed with him at his mother's home for a brief period of time in nineteen seventy eight, and then she took off and that was the last time she saw him. Somewhere along the way, Wilma ended up in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, working for an escort service that went by the name Playmates or Playgirls. This move would prove to be fatal and unfortunately lead us to why we are telling the story today. Somewhere between Wilma moving to Iowa and taking this new job, she would be murdered and left on the side of the road to be a Jane Doe for the next twenty eight years. So, now that Wilma officially had her name back, they decided to hold a memorial service for her on June third of two thousand and six at Riverview Cemetery. In Rock Rapids, Iowa, where she was officially laid to rest under her given name, Wilma ju Nesson. Her initial foster parents also attended this service. So I've talked about Chrissy throughout this episode, but where does she fit into all of this. Chrissy was a baby when Wilma left and moved to Georgia and then ended up in Iowa, and Chrissy would go on, like I said, to be raised by the foster family that had taken Wilma in as her last foster family. Chrissie knew that she was adopted, but basically all she was told about her mom is that her mom left her behind. Chrissy eventually would learn the identity of her father, and although she knew her mother's name, there wasn't really anything out there about Wilma. She had attempted to try to find her and she came up empty handed, and that was because Wilma was an unidentified Jane Doe for such a long time. Once Wilma was identified and Chrissy learned that she had been a Jane Doe for twenty eight years, it all started to make sense and click. She knew that everything that she had thought about her mother was totally wrong. Wilma never had the opportunity to be in her daughter's life because she was brutally murdered. By the time Chrissy turned one. Nobody ever reported Wilma missing, and I think the fact that because Wilma was a free spirit, that's why nobody ever thought to report her missing, because they just assumed that she was going to come back, but she never did. And I think the fact that there was never a missing person's place for Wilma is a huge part of the reason why she was unidentified for such a long time, because the missing person's flyer wasn't on the radar when Lyon County investigators were searching for a potential match for this Jane do. Once Chrissy learned about her mother's murder, she immediately contacted Lyon County and told them her story. They asked her to come down to the station. They took a DNA swab, and they were able to confirm that Chrissy was, in fact Wilma's daughter. Investigators wanted to see what they could do with the advancements in new DNA technology and forensics to see if maybe they could bring some resolution to Wilma's case, So, with Chrissy's blessing and cooperation, they carried on. Information about her case was placed into the FBI's YCAP system, which is a system that collects and analyzes different crimes in order to find a pattern and may point to a certain group of offenders. At this point in time, investigators also contacted an FBI profiler to help come up with potentially who could have murdered Wilma. Investigators also had to go on about trying to study some of the people that Wilma surrounded herself with and basically try to find anybody that she had been in contact with between living in Georgia for a brief period of time and moving to Iowa. In September of two thousand and seven, Wilma's body was exhumed. They had hopes that they could gather some evidence that could be tested through the advancements in DNA technology, things that weren't available in nineteen seventy eight when Wilma was first found. Unfortunately, water and other elements had washed away much of the evidence that they could have potentially used. But they were going to still do everything they could to try and salvage what they could and maybe at least come up with a specific cause of death. They were able to determine a cause of death, but that has not been released, not even to Chrissy. It's one of those things that only investigators and the person who killed Wilma know, and I assume that that's the reason that they are keeping it close to protect the investigation. On August of two thousand and nine, a then eighty two year old man named John Van Gameran of Inwood, Iowa, was arrested and charged with six counts of perjury for basically lying to investigators about arranging strippers for a bachelor party, having prostitutes at his home, and then transporting strippers and prostitutes from Sioux Falls to his home. Now Wilma's body was not found far from Inwood, where John lived. These charges were later dismissed after John proved truthful statements under oath. On May second of twenty sixteen, Jerry Burkey, who was at the time the Lyon County Chief Deputy, announced a major development in Wilma's case. Investigators came forward and released a photo of one of the women they believed were responsible for Wilma's death. He is quoted as saying, our suspect was an escort or prostitute, a dancer who liked to rob other escorts, prostitutes and dancers end quote. He also then went on to describe the motive for Wilma's murder as robbery. This woman would rob other prostitutes and clients as well. Investigators did not provide the public with this woman's name, but they did know her true identity. They did reveal that she was an escort as well as a dancer, and she went by the nickname of Sugar, and she was known to frequent parties both in Sioux Fall, South Dakota and in Lyon County, Iowa, and that she knew and worked with Wilma. She apparently has been interviewed multiple times but will not admit to anything happening. They have released a photo of her which I will post to my Instagram in Facebook pages. She also allegedly fled to Canada shortly after Wilma's murder, but ended up returning back to the United States after she stabbed somebody. They also revealed that Sugar had an a commons that potentially went by the nickname Peaches, and Peaches is somebody who worked alongside Wilma for the Sioux Falls, South Dakota Escort Agency playgirls. Now, as far as I know at the time of this recording, Peaches has never been located and they also have not confirmed her true identity. She is described as a light skinned black female from Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada. She worked in Sioux Falls in the seventies and eighties, so if she was in her twenties back when Wilma was murdered, she would be in her late sixties or early seventies, assuming since Wilma was twenty three when she was killed, that Peaches was around a similar age. She also had a connection to Sugar and was known to also raw people alongside of Sugar. Investigators do believe that Wilma was murdered at one of the parties that they all attended, and that her body was later dumped at the area where her body would be found in October. They do not believe that Sugar acted alone in this, and I also very much agree that more than one person was involved in Wilma's murder, at least if not with the disposal of Wilma's body after the murder investigators hired a company to do a different type of advanced technique called amplified DNA testing. Basically, what this does is they go through all of the different evidence and they try to find as much DNA as possible from the different pieces of evidence. DNA amplification is the process of producing multiple copies of a DNA sequence, but this technique is currently not compatible with CODIS, so until that technology advances, we are kind of where we are with the DNA in Wilma's case. Unfortunately, that's kind of where the case stands today. The previous investigators that Chrissy worked very closely with have now all retired, and the new people that have come in will not discuss the case with her and have basically erased all evidence of Wilma's case from their website. There was a tip line as well as a ten thousand dollars reward, but all the links of anything regarding Wilma's case that is tied to the Lion County Police Department have been taken down. Chrissy is just asking for communication with the Sheriff's office in her mother's case. She needs law enforcement's cooperation to get the DNA tested at a laboratory that works with amplified DNA, but you have to have the cooperation of law enforcement for any type of DNA testing to take place. Just recently, Christy did say that she got an email from one of the detectives that is the lead investigator on Wilma's case, So that is very good news. That is a step in the right direction. Hopefully they are willing to sit with her and meet with her and talk with her so they can together help figure this out and test the DNA that needs to be tested. There should be zero reason that any law enforcement department doesn't want a case solved, especially a case that has been called for so many years like Wilma's. There are so many cases I come across where I see that they said that they have lack of resources or they are short staffed, But honestly, these cases are so important, especially to the people on the other side of them, the living victims, the moms, the brothers, the sisters, the fathers, the daughters, the friends of these people who are tragically taken from this world and then their loved ones are left behind to try to pick up the pieces and figure out what happened, and you can't solve a murder on your own. You have to have law enforcements, cooperation, and willingness to sit down and discuss and talk. Chrissy is very much willing to help in any way she can, and there's basically this community of people that she has created that want to see Wilma's case solved. It needs to be at the top of the priority list. Chrissy is doing everything she can to share her mother's case and hopefully solve it and get resolution. Chrissy created an email for tips or for anyone that knew Wilma at any point in her life, especially around the time that she was murdered. The email is Justice the number four Wilma at aol dot com. Chrissy personally monitors this email address. Now, like I said earlier, they know who Sugar is, they know her identity, but what they really need is people to come forward from around that time that can coroborate that Wilma was with Sugar and Peaches at that period of time. Anybody that might have seen them together at any point around the time that Wilma was murdered, maybe at a party or just out and about. They basically need people to back up this theory that Sugar was involved in Wilma's murder and Peaches potentially was involved as well. Besides going by the name Wilma, she also went by the name Boots, which I spoke of earlier, and she also went by the name Amy, so any potential people that might have known her back then could have known her by these different aliases. Chrissy is also asking anybody that knew Wilma New Peaches, new Sugar to come forward and help propel this case forward, so that way maybe Chrissy can get answers. This is a woman who has lived her entire life without her birth mother, but she still feels a really deep connection to Wilma, and she's doing everything in her power to try and keep her name out there and her story out there, and ultimately try to solve I truly believe that this is a task that someone should not have to take on alone. So that is where we come in. We have the power as advocates of these cold cases, as advocates of these living victims that remain, to help propel their story forward and get their stories out there. It truly does take a village and Chrissy has done an amazing job at getting her mom's name and story out there. If you google Wilma ju Neilson, there is a ton of articles and stories and podcasts that have covered Wilma's story and that is because Chrissy has put it out there. There are a few things that Chrissy wanted me to share, and I am going to share all of those right now. Different phone numbers and different ways to communicate, as well as Wilma's Facebook, Instagram and Twitter pages. I think they're calling it x now. I can't keep up, so I'm going to go through all of that now. Like I said earlier, the email is Justice the number four Wilma Wilma at aol dot com. Like I said, that is a direct line to Chrissy. There are also tip lines and they are the Cold Case Coalition three eight five two five eight three three one three, the we Tip anonymous tip line one eight hundred seven eight two seven four six three, the Sioux Falls Crime Stoppers anonymous tip line which is toll free one eight seven seven three six seven seven zero zero seven. Chrissy has created a Facebook group, an Instagram page. There is a whole Reddit thread that she posts on and keeps up with on the regular and a Twitter or x. I am going to put all of that below in the show notes if you want more information on Wilma's story and the updates in Wilma's case, because I do believe that twenty twenty five is the year that we might get answers in Wilma's case. Unfortunately, a lot of the people that were around in those times are no longer living. I know at one point investigators had expressed interest in talking to Donald Wellington, who was Wilma's first husband. However, I don't know if that ever came to be, if they ever were able to speak with him, and he has since passed away. Michael Pizarro Senior, who was also married to Wilma, also has passed away, so that is yet another connection to Wilma's past that we no longer have. I also do want to be clear that while Wilma was working in prostitution, we don't know the circumstances surrounding what got her into prostitution. Did she do this willingly? Was she trafficked? We've had cases in the past where we've talked about young girls basically being trafficked and forced into these situations and they feel like there's no other way out and they are essentially forced to go along with it. We don't know the circumstances, what was going on. Wilma lived a very tragic and sad life, and her murder deserves to be solved, just as anyone else's deserves to be solved. She was a person, she was a mother, she was a daughter, she was a sister, and unfortunately her life came to a very brutal end. Jerry Burkey is quoted as saying that there is a very high probability that there is a Lion County resident that knows what happened or saw what happened, even though they didn't have any involvement in it. There's still a witness end quote. And that is so important to know. You might have seen something and not realized you saw something. You saw something leading up to Wilma being murdered and didn't even realize that it's significant, but it holds huge significance in solving Wilma's case. So, if you were at any type of sex party in Lyon County in the summer of nineteen seventy eight, investigators want to talk to you. Wilma's father, Charles, died in nineteen eighty six, and June after she left her family, married several times and ended up passing away in two thousand and three. So, like I said, a lot of people surrounding this story and this case are no longer living, and that is why time is of the essence, because everybody is getting older. The people that attended those parties back in nineteen seventy eight are all getting older, and we need one of them, some of them, to speak up and help solve this case before it's too late to officially get justice for Wilma, justice that she so deeply deserves, and justice that Chrissy needs. So please, please please share this story, especially if you know people that live or lived in Lyon County, Iowa around the time that Wilma was murdered. I don't think I've ever really had a case quite take a grip on me like this one has. Since I first learned about it, I have been deep diving and going into all of the articles I could find trying to piece together Wilma's life, and there are so many unknown things, which again makes it really difficult. But I think with everything that we have, with everything that Chrisy has gathered and pieced together and figured out, there is enough here to try to solve this case. I will be sure to keep you guys updated if there's anything new developing, anything new that happens with Chrissy meeting with investigators, I will be sure to share that on here. I think collectively as a whole, we all want Wilma's case to be solved, and her case deserves to be solved just as much as any of the other cases I cover. But this one definitely hit different for me, and I don't really know why it hit different, but I feel a huge pull to help with this case and do what I can to share and spread awareness and get Wilma's face out there so maybe somebody will remember that they know something about what happened to her. So share, Share, Share this episode. I'm going to be posting pictures on my Instagram and Facebook pages, and I am going to be posting about Wilma until her murder is solved. So please go follow me over on Instagram at Primetime Crime Pod, on Facebook at Primetime Crime. Remember crime is with a K. If you are enjoying the podcast. 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