Updates From The Fronczak Files

Welcome to Primetime Crime. I'm your host, Kylie. Let's talk right now on true crime, and then together we're going to work on warming up some cold cases. Let's go. Hey guys, welcome to this week's episode of Primetime Crime. It's Kylie. We are going to get into some right now on true crime. So first thing is first, Lindsay Clancy had a status conference that took place on September 29th. So on Tuesday, she. The next hearing is set for November 2nd. So basically, the judge heard arguments over a defense motion to find Lindsay not guilty of murder at the status conference. And the prosecution has not decided whether or not they are going to retry Lindsay. And there is, like I said, another hearing. On November 2nd. In the November hearing, the judge will hear arguments on Lindsay's motion to dismiss the case over double jeopardy, as well as the defense's motion related to further questioning of this holdout juror. Lindsay's attorney, Kevin Reddington, did argue during this status conference that there wasn't enough evidence to prove that Lindsay killed her three children. He said the entire case is based on speculation. Which is interesting because during the trial, he never disputed that she is the one who killed the children in 2023. It was more about persuading the jury that Lindsay was not mentally well and she was suffering from postpartum psychosis. So that is a very interesting turn of events. And I think there's going to be more that's going to come out in the November hearings. So we are going to stay on top of this. I will be sure to keep you guys updated. I know this one had a lot of people who had opinions. And it was one that I think even if you aren't a true crime person, you were paying attention to what was going on in the courtroom. So it brought out a lot of very interesting opinions and opinions. Different genres of people coming in and interjecting their opinion, and then the whole thing with the holdout juror and the mistrial essentially being declared. Like I said, we are going to stay on top of this one, and I will be sure to keep you guys updated on what goes down in the meantime and what goes down in that November hearing as well. In other news, Caleb Flynn was found guilty of the murder of his. Wife, Ashley Flynn. So the defense did not put on a case. Caleb never got up and testified, and the defense presented no evidence in Caleb's favor. I don't understand why this happens. I don't understand why he pleads not guilty and then puts on absolutely no defense if he is saying that he didn't do this. If you didn't do. This, where is the proof? Where is the evidence? Proof, receipts, timelines, screenshots. If you're a Bravo fan, you know. So I don't know. I think it's frustrating because you're going through this whole thing, having her family and friends emotionally having to go through all of this stuff that they've already gone through. They have to relive it in court and testify. And it's just a lot. So the jury got the case. And within two hours, they found Caleb Flynn guilty, as we knew that they would, because I always say there's no such thing as a slam dunk. But this is one that I am pretty confident to say that it was a slam dunk. We had the text messages, so many text messages between Caleb and the gal that he was having an affair with. And there was just text after text after text. And it was insane the hatred that they had for Ashley for actually no reason at all. So his sentencing is going to be on October 5th, and he faces up to life in prison without the possibility of parole. His mom, I guess his parents, are standing by their son. They said that he is not responsible for Ashley's death, and they're standing beside him and saying that he was basically wrongfully convicted. I don't know how you can sit through that trial and not see the writing on the wall. It doesn't make any sense to me. I know that's your child. I know you love him. But it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And honestly, last week was such a big right now in True Crime Week. I feel like so much went on last week. If you guys haven't listened to the bonus episode I released with Sierra from the Unselfcoupled podcast, please go give it a listen. We did a little sit down and chat about the identification of the unknown wanderer and his possible... allegedly involvement in the Chicago Tylenol murders. Like I said in that. Episode, they were very clear in the press conference about the unknown wanderer who was officially identified as Dr. Matthew Betowski, that they were not naming him as a suspect, but they were very much trying to correlate a lot of the things that were in Matthew's past, possibly to Chicago and tying those two cases together. So if you haven't, go give that a listen. We honestly hopped on for just a quick little chat, and it ended up being a 45-minute chat about everything that was going on. Because we both do cover unsolved cases. Sierra and her husband, Ben, do Unsolved Mysteries Recap. So they go through episode by episode and recap unsolved mysteries. So there is often overlap in some of the cases that I cover and her and Ben cover on their podcasts, because a lot of the cases that I cover are from Unsolved Mysteries. So it was an interesting conversation for sure. And interesting to see where this goes from here. They did say the investigation is going to take a long time because they aren't able to 8,000% place Dr. Matthew Batowski in. in Chicago in 1982. So I will be sure to keep you guys updated on that one. And I think, I don't want to say this because something always happens the second I say this, but I think for right now, that's all for right now on True Crime. And we're going to get into this week's episode, which is a conversation with the hosts of the Fronzec Files podcast, who I have Officially had the pleasure of meeting. I met them both at CrimeCon. I did an interview with them last year, actually in October. So it's been almost a full year and there has been a lot going on behind the scenes for them and all that they're working on. They have a lot that they're working on. And I very much wanted to have them back on in order for them to catch everybody up on what's been going on behind the scenes. Because at the end of the day, they are still looking for Jack's missing twin sister, Jill. And it's one of those situations where she could be out there living her life, not knowing that she is a missing person and that she has been missing literally since she was just under two years old. So getting the story out there and reaching as many people as possible is of the utmost importance because you never know who is going to call in a tip that's going to. Break this case wide open. And that is where we come in as a community of people that consumes true crime content. We can really help propel these cases forward by sharing information. And reposting because it literally takes 30 seconds to share something on social media these days. And you never know if the right person is going to see it. And that clue could break the case, like I said, wide open. So please give this episode a listen and a share. I'm also going to be posting some video clips from the interview on my Instagram and Facebook pages. And tagging the Fronzec Files. Please go follow them. I'm going to be tagging all of their social media below in the show notes, as well as the Jack and Jill Rosenthal Foundation. I'm going to be linking that in the show notes as well. And Tracy and Jack are going to tell us all about the formation of the foundation and why they decided to start it. So I hope you guys enjoy this week's episode. Today, we are joined back by the hosts of the Fronzac Files podcast, Paul Jack Fronzac and Tracy Hastings. They, along with their team, have been hard at work digging into the many, many layers of this story. They are currently on season five of their podcast, and they came here today to catch us up on everything that has been going on in their world since last year. and how we can continue to help in the search for Jack's missing twin sister, Jill. Jack and Tracy, welcome back to Primetime Crime. As always, it's a pleasure and honor to have you both here. It's great to be here. Thanks for taking time to hang out with us. Of course. So since there has been so much going on, behind the scenes with your podcast, everything that's gone on since season one. Because the last time we talked, you guys had just wrapped season one and we're premiering season two. So season two. Very much focused on you helping others, which I was telling Tracy beforehand, I love that that's something you guys do because there's so much going on in your own story and that you need to look into and you're taking time to help others. So do you guys want to speak on that a little bit and what you've been able to do to help others in this journey? First of all, season one, that was like 12 years ago, right? I feel like it. Seems like a lifetime ago. Tracy, you want to open with this one? Sure. Season two was a really great great new chapter for us. We understood the difficulties of trying to find information when you don't know who you are. And Jack is the primary example of that. So we knew that this was a challenge for him, for us, and likely for other people out there as well. So after season one and giving sort of a broad overview of Jack's story and all the complexity of it, we opened up the floor to people who were looking to find out who they were. And we were flooded with requests for helping find who my biological parents are. I was adopted or I took a DNA test and I don't match to anybody on my paternal side. I was a foundling. like Jack, and I'd like to know who I am. So we took a half a season to help other people make their own discoveries, a couple of different foundlings. We had a couple of national cases that made it into the national news that we helped also do solves for. And it was really fulfilling for us to be able to take our skill set and turn it towards helping others. Yeah, it's one thing to, you know, to find answers for yourself. But to me, it's much more fulfilling to help find the answer for somebody else, because that's what our gift is. It's helping other people find their answers. And of course, we do it all pro bono. We never charge anybody anything. I love that. I think that's so important. And it really gives a purpose behind everything that you do. You've turned, you know, what has happened to you and your life into giving back to others. And I think that that is just the coolest thing ever. And I love it. Yeah, thanks. That means a lot to us. And that's why we're. Yeah, you guys are just amazing. And your team is so good. Yeah, they are. Yeah, our team is just, they are the best. If we need something, they have it for us really quickly. That's one of the great things about us as a group is that we're not bound by red tape. We're not bound by corporate policy. You give us your DNA. You give us your information. I think our record at this point in solving a case is 39 minutes. Yeah, that's incredible because so often you hear years and years. They're waiting on the DNA as an example. So it's just amazing that you guys are able to do what you do and you do it well and pro bono, which is even better. That's just amazing. I love that. Thanks. So in season three, you guys dug a little more into Jack's bio family and also dug in a little bit deeper into the kidnapping from Michael Reese Hospital. Do you guys want to share a little bit about that? That we've we found out so much information over the last I would say over the last maybe 14 months. Just it's it's amazing what we found out. The FBI never never bothered to even do this. But we actually have located. Well, actually, Tracy, once you tell the story of how we actually found the major piece of this whole puzzle. If I could just backtrack just for a second and just speak a little bit to season three, which was called The Making of Monsters. The reason that we decided to take that dive was that we, A, wanted to see what other information we could find on the people in Jack's story, his biological family, and the people that were surrounding the kidnapping. And by doing that, we came up with new information, of course. And we were able to share that with our audience and help to paint the picture of the place where Jack came from, the place where he ended up ultimately, and then how his story ties in with finding the real Paul Franczak. And that just kept it sort of inspired us to let's let's dig deeper into these other topics. Let's take a really, really close look at the kidnapping and let's do a whole season on the anatomy of a kidnapping. And we discovered that by doing that, we were really able to find a lot of minutiae in the story that even we missed as we were covering it in season one. And. As we were moving through producing the season, we were, of course, still trying to solve the case. And the remaining aspect of the case is who kidnapped Paul Franczak from Michael Reese Hospital in April of 1964. We know that the FBI did absolutely no digging on this. When the kidnapper could not be readily identified in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping, it just sort of went away. And even after Jack was discovered to not be Paul Franczak, they. Still didn't do anything about trying to find the kidnapper. So we decided we were going to push and see what we could do. And we had a lot of dead ends, more than we've had successful ends for sure. One day I thought to myself, I'm going to use social media here and just take a flyer. So I did some research on Facebook and I found a Facebook page called You Know You're From Blytheville If. What we had discovered through our looking in season four, The Anatomy of the Kidnapping, was that we were able to connect the kidnapping of Paul Franzak to a small little town in Arkansas called Blyville. And taking the name of the man, Billy Ray Beatty, who we suspected was the root cause for the kidnapping of the real Paul, We didn't suspect him to be involved necessarily in the kidnapping itself, but we suspected him to be the inspiration, if you will, behind the kidnapping. And we needed to make contacts in Blytheville, Arkansas, to find out more about Billy Ray Beatty. So I took a picture of him, and I put it up on their Facebook page, and I said I was looking for genealogical information about anyone related to this man or his wife by the name of Alice Swain Beatty. And about 20 minutes or so after I posted this, I received a Facebook message from a man named Doyle Beatty. And Doyle informed me that he was Billy Ray Beatty's younger brother. Man, that is just so, so, so just crazy. If I can use that word, it's just so crazy. That is truly, though, the power of social media. And social media has a bad rap. It obviously is not always used for good. But in this situation, it really is helping to close those gaps in this story and help open up a whole other broad spectrum of horizons and suspects for this kidnapping. So the kidnapper, you guys initially had kind of had a hunch it was going in one direction and then it ended up switching once you talked to Doyle. Can you talk. About that a little bit and how things have kind of shifted? So originally we thought this lady, Alice, was the kidnapper, but we were able to track down her actual family and they gave us some stories that totally ruled her out. There was no possible way that she was the kidnapper. But it led us to another part of the puzzle, you know, because Kevin Beatty, who was the real Paul, was named Kevin Ray Beatty. So we knew that there was a Beatty involved because that name came from somewhere. And Lorraine, the person who raised Kevin, was a career criminal, had numerous aliases, numerous husbands, arrested so many times, in prison, broke out of prison, put back in prison. Just a really bad person. So we knew the name came from somewhere. So when we actually got his Social Security card application and it said Blytheville, Arkansas on it, we knew that we were on the right track. So that's when things really started to fall together, especially when we found Doyle. Because the fact that Billy was his older brother, that really we had an eyewitness. And he actually spent a summer in Chicago. So all this, everything happened in this certain little area in Chicago on the north side. And we actually found the bar where they used to hang out at. We found the apartment that they lived in because Billy was living with this lady named Marcel. And that's when the pieces really started to fall together. So now it is believed that Marcel was the kidnapper of Paul Joseph Franczak from Michael Reese Hospital. But you still are looking for this person, anyone that can help identify who she is. We know she's Marcel or she went by Marcel, but we're still looking for her confirmed. Who she is identity. Yes, exactly. When we interviewed Doyle after him reaching out to us to tell us who he was, we could hardly wait to speak to him. This man had no idea that his family was connected to a federal kidnapping case. He had no suspicion. He'd never heard of the case. He had no idea that any of this had happened and certainly couldn't fathom how he could possibly be helpful to us. But we had a video conference with him and his sister. And in that conference, they blew this case wide open for us with information that they didn't think was important to anybody. It was so far back in the remote past for them that it just seemed inconsequential. And they told us a story about how in 1972 or 1973, that Billy Ray Beatty had relocated permanently from Chicago back to Blytheville. And that Billy had a really serious dream. problem and spent a lot of time drunk. And one night he was sitting on the porch talking to his younger sister and he was drinking and feeling remorseful, as alcoholics do when they start to get into their later years and look back at the mistakes they've made. And he told his sister a story that a woman had come to him at some point in time and told him that she had given birth to his child. And the boy's name was Kevin. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather at that moment because there it is. There's the aha moment. We are on the right track. This is not a coincidence. Yeah, that's the connection. And then Doyle proceeds to explain to us his version of the story. And that in the summer of 1963, which was the summer before the kidnapping, he was shipped from Blytheville, Arkansas, to Chicago for a month to spend the summer in Chicago with his brother, Billy. And he was living in the apartment with Billy and his girlfriend at the time, a woman by the name of Marcel. And Doyle's recollections of Marcel were of an obsessed woman, a woman who talked endlessly about Billy, her love for him, her obsession with him. She couldn't talk about anything else but Billy. And even as a 12, 13-year-old boy at the time, Doyle was aware this was not normal. This stuck with him all these years later, that this was unusual behavior. And he then told us a story that as the time for him approached to go back to Blytheville, that Marcel propositioned him. And she told him that if he didn't leave Chicago and he stayed there with her and Billy, that they would be a family and that Billy would never leave her because he would need her help to take care of Doyle and that they could form this nice little nuclear family. She would send him to school in Chicago. She would give him money. She would buy him a motorcycle and she would introduce him to the candy stripers at the hospital she worked at as a housekeeper. And that's the part of the story that gives me chills because it fits everything, the profile for an infant abductor. She had access to a hospital. She would do anything to keep this relationship in place. It all just makes sense. And I just have chills just hearing it again. I do as well. Every time I tell the story, I still get that feeling of that rush of we just solved a 60-year-old kidnapping case that the FBI couldn't. Yep. And Jack, you did. A interview with Barbara Walters where you told her that you were going to find your parents' kidnapped. Child, which you did. And now solving who did the kidnapping, it's just incredible. And that's the power behind people that want to do something for the right reasons and Like we talked about earlier, there's no red tape. You guys can do an independent investigation and you're getting the answers that nobody else has been able to get. It's so true. I made a promise to Barbara. I was fortunate enough to do two 2020 episodes with her, spent some time in New York and New Jersey. And I promised her that I would find the real Paul and I would give him his birth certificate and I would claim mine. And I was able to send him a copy of his. I never got to meet him, but I got to send him my book. And in the book, I put his birth certificate in there and everything. So it was really cool. Unfortunately, Barbara wasn't around for that. But it's one of those things that really makes you feel good inside that, you know, you stay true to your promises and you find the answers. Yeah, absolutely. And even though it's a lot and it's been, you know, at this point, decades spanning, you're still doing it and you're not going to give up until you find all the answers that you need, not just for yourself, but for all the others too. Well, you know, it's crazy. I mean, just yesterday we had a huge breakthrough, which I'm not going to talk about yet because we're going to vet everything out. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. But it was, it was this major, it's like everything, everything that has, has been around the story for years and years has come in. It's coming around full circle. Like these little bits of information I had 10 years ago. Now they're coming back to actually being part of the, of the mystery. Yeah, no, absolutely. It's very interesting to look back at bits and pieces and suddenly things that did not seem to connect to one another, all of a sudden they all fit together because we found a detail somewhere. There it is. There is the piece that we were missing. And right now, currently, the piece that we're missing is Marcel's last name. And so we've got a lot of feelers out there. We're asking the Chicago audience to go to our website, take a look at all of our information, look at the composites, look at the descriptions, look at all the information that we have on who this person was and see if they can help us identify her. Yeah, because one person could hold that missing piece that gets everything to come together, just like you were just saying. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it really is. It's so cool. Like, As a fan of the podcast, getting to talk to you guys is such an honor, but also just getting to listen to the podcast weekly and see the work that you and your team do. It's truly incredible. It's probably my top number one favorite podcast because I. Just love it. Oh, that's great. Well, there's no higher compliment than that coming from a fellow podcaster because you definitely understand the work that goes into what is entailed to do this, for sure. Yes, for sure. So let's talk a little bit now about season five, which is the current season. I know the season finale is on Tuesday. I'll be releasing this probably on Thursday. Of next week. So season five is very much focused on the search for Jill and all that you guys are doing behind the scenes to help facilitate that. Do you want to speak on that a little bit? Well, the number one priority is to find my sister, along with helping other people solve their mysteries. It's kind of like, I always think of the TV show The Fugitive as a series back in the 60s, 70s. And it was about Dr. Richard Kimball. His wife was murdered by a one-armed man. And so the whole show is basically him going around the country trying to find this one-armed man. But during that, he ends up helping people along the way solve their mysteries. So it's just a really cool story. So whatever direction we go into, we're always going to have that thread of trying to find my sister during all that. So we we've exhausted every option in this. Like we always say at the forensic files, leave no stone unturned. We went to paranormal, psychics, you know, DNA testing, everything, anything you can imagine we're actually using to help find Jill. So last week's episode with the gal you guys met at CrimeCon and her daughter's I I'm such a paranormal person. So I believe in all of that, but I loved that episode and I thought she gave a lot of really good insight. Yeah, totally. You know, it's funny when, when she first walked up to me and she shook my hand, it was like the movie, the dead zone with Christopher Walken. She shook my hand and all of a sudden she saw all these things. She saw my dad in flames behind me. She saw my mom. And it was, I mean, I, She didn't know who we were. She certainly didn't know my story. She never researched anything. This is just the things that she saw. And I think they were spot on. What do you think, Trace? Well, as you know, if you listen to or watch the podcast, Jack and I have sort of the Mulder Scully vibe going. So he is definitely the more conspiracy guy. I'm the science person. But even in that situation, I had to pause for a moment and go, huh, okay, if this is a con, this is a long con, because we bumped into them in the elevator, literally. Yeah. And And even if there was some element of possibility of them to be able to look into the story and to try to develop a con, we weren't announced as being at CrimeCon as guests of NECMEC until the like three days before the event. So in my scientific mind, that was, well, if this is a con, it's a long one and I'm impressed by it. And then as I was following along with Yvonne reading Jack's palm on the day one when they first met, and then the next day when we did the tarot card reading, it was very intriguing and it had its convincing elements about it for sure. She is a very dynamic and charming lady who just she loves people. She loves what she does. She lives to help others. You know, and if this was something that was not real, where do you at? When is she going to ask us for money? And she never did. She's all about helping people. She's definitely part of the Fronzec Files team because that's what we're about is helping people. And she gave us some really great avenues to pursue that we had not considered before. And that's what we needed to take away from it was, okay, let's see where we can go with some of the things that she suggested to us to try. Yeah. And in listening to it, just as an outsider, I just felt she was so genuine. Like it just struck me. You know, I've heard all the different psychic theories and on a bunch of different cases. And some of them you can tell, you know, there's a little bit of there's a motive behind it. Right. But with her, it just really struck me as genuine, a chance meeting in an elevator and her just realizing that she had information that could possibly help in the. Search for Jill, which is what it's all about at the end of the day. And interestingly enough, she continues to communicate with us. Her episode was a huge hit. We've got so many views on it. And she communicated to us the other day that she had a vision. And her vision for us was that Jack and I were in a room together just sitting and talking. And all of a sudden, the doors kicked open and in rushed a bunch of reporters and photographers who wanting to interview us and take our photos because something big had broken. Oh, my gosh. And she told us, brace yourselves because it's coming. I have chills again. So we're ready for it. Oh, my gosh. We're ready. We're ready. We're ready. I love it. I really, you know, I consider myself intuitive, not psychic by any means. But, you know, when you just get a good feeling about someone, that's how I felt about her and her daughters. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Very genuine. Yeah. Yeah. I was laughing at the beginning of the episode because she lived in New Jersey and I think one of her daughters lived in Jersey. And you said it always comes back to Jersey. So fun fact, I am originally from Texas, but my whole family is from New Jersey. I knew it. I felt that connection. Always comes back to Jersey. The whole family. Yep. Yeah. It's true. I'm the only Texan. Wow. You're not wrong, Jack. It always comes back to New Jersey. It always does. Yeah. So I know in this last season, season five, you're talking about the search for Jill. There's also an element where you're talking about a decision you guys have made as a team in regards to your bio mom, Jack, about exhuming Marie. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Yeah, we're excited. Looking forward to this digging party because, you know, we love shovels at the Franczak Files. Just like your shirt, right? It says it all. Yes. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love the shovel shirt. So my brother and sister want nothing to do with me or are trying to help find the truth. And as Tracy will tell you, being the DNA expert, that the mother is the gold standard for DNA. And that's what we need because Jill could have a hit with me and it might not even show up the way we need it to. But having my mom's DNA is going to it's going to it's a game changer. I mean, that's the best that we can get. So in order to do that, we're working on this petition. It's about 9,000 pages. And we're doing it, once again, we do everything by ourselves because no one wants to really seem to help. So in doing this, we're actually doing it as a tutorial to help other people that are probably in the same situation. Because I know there's people out there that have to start this journey. You know, and so... hopefully they can take what we're doing and use it as a tutorial to help them get through the process as well. Yeah. So anything that me and my listeners can do to help, once you reach that point, whatever you need, if there's anything you need, and if there's a call to action, I would be more than happy. To share because this. Is vital to you being able to find Jill and reunite with her. That's fantastic. Thank you for that. We'll take any help that we can. Yeah, of course. So one of the newest things that you guys have done is you started a foundation, which I just think, again, speaking on all that you do for others, I think this is the perfect thing to start and have your name behind, Jack, because I think it's so important. Do you guys want to talk about how that came to be, a little bit about it, and how people can help? So Tracy and I always goof around, you know, go big or go home. And we want to help people. The best way we can help people is to do something big. So we thought starting the Jack and Jill Rosenthal Foundation for Missing and Unidentified Children would be a great way to do that. It takes all the skills that we have to help close these cases and find answers, missing children, cold cases, and do it on a larger scale. The podcast is a great way to get the word out. The foundation brings it home. And being the Jack and the Jack and Jill Rosenthal Foundation, That makes it really close to my heart because it's my life. Trace? Yeah. Yeah. We had reached a point where we knew that telling Jack's story was sort of coming to a natural end with season five, The Search for Jill Rosenthal. We looked back over the material we had. We brainstormed, was there a way for us to develop a sixth season out of his story? And we realized we'd done such a great job at telling his story over five seasons. We had run out of content. And so we started to try to brainstorm, where would we go from here? How do we keep this story alive, but also continue doing what we love to do, which is help people? And this was the brainchild of that session was, what if we started a foundation where we take the skill sets that we have come to the table with, as well as developed and honed our own strategies for researching cold cases, which law enforcement likely doesn't do. that we could bring to the table and maybe help generate new leads on some of these cold cases that are out there. And so we came up with the name. We came up with the logo. We applied for our 501 nonprofit status, which we received back in a record eight days. If anybody out there has ever tried to start a nonprofit, that is unheard of. So we did get a bit of a break there. And we are moving ahead with. Partnering with law enforcement agencies who have cold cases of missing children that, you know, law enforcement is like most public servants in this country, overworked, underfunded, just not enough time, not enough people to support the things that need to be done like cold case research. And we want to complement what law enforcement is doing. And we want to be able to help them to use some of the strategies that we have used to push Jack's case forward along with others to Maybe generate some new leads on some of these cases and bring some resolution to some of them. There are so many cases out there that really need a fresh set of eyes on them. You know, start asking questions, start digging, you know, knocking on doors and just trying to find answers. So many families are out there waiting for answers. And if they're getting the treatment that I've gotten, nothing's going to be done. And that's why we're here. And we're here for families as well. So if you have a family member or you know someone who has a child missing and the case has gone cold, it's not being actively investigated, reach out to us. We would love to act as your liaison with law enforcement and get your story and see if we think there's anything that we might be able to do to help. All free of charge, of course. And that is truly the incredible work. The fact that you guys are doing this and you saying you're the Jack and Jill, it makes it so much more personal and meaningful. And there are so many cases. Week after week, I cover unsolved, missing persons, missing children, and so. Many of them. There hasn't been any movement in decades. And it's just sitting essentially... in a file at the bottom of someone's cabinet and no one's looked at it. So, and it's, you know, we're talking about missing kids. That's so important. For example, we have a case that we are sort of focusing on out of New Jersey, where there was a set of unidentified human remains recovered in 1971. And the remains were uncovered about 11 miles from the place where Jack was abandoned in the summer of 1965. So our team thought this is a possible Jill. This could potentially be something important. And so we started down that path of finding out all the details we could about this child. A female, one to two years of age, blonde haired, a description of what she was wrapped in wearing at the time. description of the remains. And we reached out to the Union County Medical Examiner's Office to get more information about this. And essentially, quote unquote, we're asked, why are you calling me? Could not get rid of us fast enough. Did not want to talk about the case at all. We have done FOIAs to get information about it. We've talked to other departments. And what we've been told is that the remains are now unlocatable. for this little girl. And that is unacceptable to us, both as human beings, as well as people that make it our business to try to help solve these cases. And so this is just one example of a case where we are not going to quit until we are able to definitely determine, are they unlocatable or are they just misplaced? Can they be found? And if so, let's DNA test them and let's give this little girl her name back. Yeah. And how do you lose something like that? I just don't understand. That's a great question. And it happens all the time. Yeah. It's horrible. It really is horrible. You know, there's a family out there trying to find their missing daughter. It could be my sister. I mean, there's just so many possibilities. And without, our hands are tied. Like I told Jack, you know, if this is Jill, you are now sentenced to a lifetime of searching for someone you may never find. Right. Because of someone's ineptitude. Yeah. And that's what I don't get because. Everybody has friends, sisters, mothers, fathers, brothers, and that could be any family member of any one of ours. And that's a real person, you know, that is a real person and they deserve their identity back. Their family deserves that answer that they have been searching for for decades at this point. And I just don't understand how it's not like top priority. I know understaffed, underfunded, but I just don't get it. So I think the fact that you guys are doing the work you're doing is so needed, so necessary. And I think you're going to help solve a lot. And I think you're going to change a lot of lives. So I think that's such a cool thing to be able to have your name behind. That's the plan. And thanks for the kind words. So is there anything else that you want to share about the journey, about the podcast, anything for us to look forward to in the future? What do you think, Tracy? I would say stay tuned because we continue to find new things out about Jack's case all the time. And, uh, As he mentioned earlier, we're right on the cusp of potentially getting some new great information coming. Actually, tomorrow is when we're slated to meet, have a meeting and to maybe get some new details that we did not have before. For me personally, the close of season five has been a time to really look back and reflect on all of the crazy events that led me to end up being where I am right now in this really unique and unusual place. Hosting a successful podcast, being a part of an amazing team of people whose passion and life's work is to serve other people. And as an RN for 20 years, I've been doing it anyway, but I never really thought it would come to doing it in this way, in this format. And that it's been my privilege to be a part of this team. And I'm certainly the new guy on the team. I've only been here about 18 months. And it's been just such a life-changing thing to be a part of. And so I am forever grateful for Jack for picking me to be able to take this journey with him. Oh, it's great to have you. And on my side, when I started this whole thing back in 2012, I never even thought about writing a book or doing a documentary film or all the other things that we're doing. But when it started, I just wanted to find answers. I wanted to find my parents' kidnapped child. And then maybe find out who I was as well. And then when I found out who I was, which took three years, then I found out that I had a missing twin sister. So then I had to go on a journey to find her. And along the way, people started writing in, your journey is inspiring me to start my own journey. I have no idea who I am. And I didn't realize how many thousands of people out there are in that situation. So that's how everything just kind of snowballed. I've wanted to do a podcast for many years, but I didn't have the means. It just wasn't the right time. And then when this team came together and when I met Tracy, I knew that this was the time to start this project because it's going to be successful and we're going to help a lot of people. And that's what we've been doing. And it's been a blast. And it's just, I love waking up every day to know that we can do something good today. Yeah, I love that. And I think it's really led. to a lot of answers in your story, obviously, but to so much more. You guys being able to come to CrimeCon, I got to meet you, which was so cool to see you in person after listening to you for so long. And just the other opportunities that being at a place like CrimeCon presents, because you get to talk to so many different people that are really dedicated to helping people and spreading the message and sharing the word. Getting to share Jill's story there, I'm sure, was so important to you, Jack, and Tracy as well. You know, we wanted to go to CrimeCon, but it was kind of expensive and we all live in different places. And it's like we manifested it. Like Tracy said, a short time before CrimeCon actually happened, the National Center reached out and said, hey, would you want to be a guest in our booth? I'm like, hell yeah. Yes, we would. We met so many great other podcasters and just people in the same, you know, same space business that we're in. And it's just the people are remarkable. And I've learned so much. And it's just it felt like you like we were home. Yeah, the community feel was amazing at CrimeCon. Like, we really felt like these are our people. This is the place where we belong. And we made some amazing connections, people that knew Jack's story and knew our podcast and more people that actually didn't. And it's interesting, you know, that... when you sort of are in your podcast bubble, right? You think, uh, sometimes Jack will even say, everybody knows my story. Isn't this saturated by now? I just feel like I keep telling the story and everybody's heard it. And then we get that eyeopening moment of not everybody's heard it because at crime con, we told the story a thousand times that people hadn't heard about it, but now they have. And that's, that's like the grassroots sort of slow. Burn that podcasts have as we, as a community support one another. And, uh, And, you know, help one another and put each other's stories out there. This is how we get things done is with making friends like you. Yes, I agree. Anytime anyone asks me what episode of the podcast that I listen to, I tell them the one where I interviewed you. Guys last year because it's just such a it's just. Crazy. Yeah. Deep, multiple layered story. And it's almost. Like you wouldn't believe it if you didn't know that it was happening and it's true, you know? Exactly. You wouldn't believe it. We hear that quite a bit. Yeah. Some days we can't believe it. We also go, what? What is going on here? We have those moments too. Yeah. Anytime I tell the story, I'm like, okay, just stay with me here. Let me just give you the rundown. And people just look at me like, what? I bet you at first they're really impressed that you remember it because it's so complicated. Like, how do you keep that straight? I feel like I know it now in the back of my mind. I feel like I could talk about it pretty good. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you both so much for joining today. You guys, if you do not listen to the Fronzeck Files podcast, you have five seasons of amazing content to catch up on and. All these revelations. Please, please, please go listen. It's available wherever you get your podcasts, as well on YouTube. And I will link all their social media below. They are, like I said, doing amazing things now with the Jack and Jill Rosenthal Foundation. And they're... always looking for volunteers, I've been told. So if you guys are interested, check out the website. I myself am going to get some information on that after we finish recording because I want to try to get involved and help give back. So I will link all of that below in the show notes. And I appreciate you both so, so much for coming and sitting back down and Hopefully, sooner rather than later. We have some more news and you can come back. Hopefully not another year. It's great to be here again. It's great to see you. It's great meeting you at CrimeCon. And we love your show as well. And so it goes both ways. We're really honored to be here as well. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's a true honor coming from both of you. All right. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you, you guys. Have a good one. Thanks so much. You too. Bye.